ISO 14000 Digest Friday, 27 October 1995 Volume 01 : Number 005
In this issue:
Re: Copyright on ISO14000
Re: Copyright on ISO14000
ISO 14000 REGISTRATION
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A resume
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ISO 14000 Perceptions?
Re: ISO 14000 Perceptions?
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From: E-Media
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 01:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Copyright on ISO14000
On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Tres English wrote:
> The point, if I understand the arguments, is that ISO14000 is not public
> knowledge, even though these standards will be/are being adopted by
> industry and government alike.
>
> I am greatly troubled by the idea of private and "secret" regulations
> having such far-reaching consequences as these world-wide environmental
> standards might have. And personally, I don't care what the law says.
> This is an moral and ethical, i.e. and environmental, issue.
>
No, that's not the point at all. None of these documents are secret or
private. The ONLY point here is that the draft standards have to be
PURCHASED, because they are owned by the ISO organization, are
copyrighted and are not materials that are "in the public domain". That's
all. Think them as "books" and ISO as their "author". It's not a
"moral", "ethical" or even an "environmental" issue.
I agree that copyright is not the subject of this list, but the issue
was raised and it's important for everyone to know that *all* ISO
standards and draft standards are copyrighted and have to be purchased
from ANSI or ASQC in this country.
Bill
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From: Alan Schoffman
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:21:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Copyright on ISO14000
On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Peter Griffin wrote:
I was not aware
> that the final version of ISO14001/2 had been published, has it ??
>
The ISO 14000 standards consist of about 20 documents in various stages
of preparation. 14001 & 14004 (relating to EMS), 14010 & 14011 & 14012
(relating to the auditing requirements for the EMS) are now Draft
International Standards (DIS) and out for final balloting.
All documents at the committee draft level and on are available for
purchase. I have found ASTM to be a convenient place for purchasing.
They have just moved and the new phone number is: 610-832-9585. They can
fax you information on the titles available and the costs.
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From: hadley@ix.netcom.com (GARY BROWN )
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:19:45 -0700
Subject: ISO 14000 REGISTRATION
We are proud to announce that our company is now able to offer
BS7750/ISO 14000 registration services in the USA.
For more information call Gary Brown 714-898-0893
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From:
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:01:14 -0400
Subject: subscribe
Dear sir or madam or computer,
Please subscribe me to your newslist
Thankyou
David Burdick
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From: "Roger Subirats"
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:11:15 CST
Subject: [none]
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From: "Tim Greiner"
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:06:58 +0000
Subject: subscribe
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Tim Greiner
Greiner Environmental
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Gloucester, MA 01930
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(f) 508-525-2247
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From: "Bill Casti, \"The Czar of QUALITY.ORG\""
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A resume
I've just added a resume to the QUALITY.ORG resume base (see
"Employment" in the homepage) of someone who is extremely proficient
and well-qualified in ISO14000 areas, especially that of nuclear waste.
If any of you have or know of any positions for someone of this
caliber, please contact her directly. Her information is at the top of
her resume.
Thanks.
Bill Casti
QUALITY.ORG System Administrator
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From: E-Media
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:14:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Please distribute widely
Following are the CORRECT instructions for subscribing, unsubscribing
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From: "Jay R. Boyer"
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:06:29 -0500
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From: "Melae Langbein"
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:14:10 GMT+1200
Subject: Information for me?
Hi, I'm a Masters student at Victoria University of Wellington in Nez
Zealand and am doing an assignment on iso14000 and its implications
for strategic management particularly in technology based
institutions. I have only a couple of days to gather information and
would greatly appreciate it if anyone could spare the time to email
anything about iso14000 to me at Melae.Langbein@vuw.ac.nz.
Alternatively, if the volume of information necessitates that it be
sent via "snail-mail" my address is:
Melae Langbein
282 The Terrace
Wellington
New Zealand
Please note that there is no need for a postcode.
Thanks very much
Melae
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From: "Bill Casti, \"The Czar of QUALITY.ORG\""
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:46:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FYI: A New Quality-Only List!
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From: ASEANEIP
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:22:42 PDT
Subject: subscribe
subscribe ISO 14000 Burt Hamner
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From: "Bill Casti, \"The Czar of QUALITY.ORG\""
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: REMINDER!
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From: mgmt@mindlink.net (Isis Fredericks)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 20:45 PDT
Subject: Panel member needed for ISO 14000 Conference
Attention Process Industries Reps:
International Standards Initiative (ISI) are presenting an ISO 14000=20
Conference "ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT FOR THE 21ST CENTURY - WILL YOU BE=20
PREPARED ?" November 6 & 7, 1995 in Bellevue, Washington
I am moderating the panel discussion "ISO 14000 and Process Industries"=20
November 6. We are pleased to have on the panel: Brian Wood (Weyerhaueser)=
=20
providing a pulp/paper view and Ron Black (B.F. Goodrich) providing an=20
chemical industry view of the standards.=20
WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PANEL MEMBER TO REPRESENT A PROCESS INDUSTRY=20
other than pulp/paper/chemical. Is there someone working WITHIN a process=
=20
industry (plastics, petrochem, etc.) who is familiar with the ISO 14000=20
standards, willing to share their view on the impact of the standards on=20
their industry, and available to attend (or already attending) the=20
conference on November 6? Please contact me if you are interested.
Information on the conference can be found at --=20
http://www.netos.com/iso14000 =96 and is summarized as "A conference of=20
dynamic information exchange with expert panelists, lectures, networking=20
opportunities, and exhibits; designed for professionals interested or=20
involved in environmental management, regulatory, quality, legal, policy, or=
=20
risk management issues for their organization, including officers and=20
directors, supervisors and managers, analyst and attorneys. "
Please contact me DIRECTLY if you are interested in participating on the=
panel.
Thank you
Isis Fredericks
MGMT Alliances Inc.
mgmt@mindlink.net
Tel: (604) 669-6490
fax: (604) 669-6496
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From:
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:38:35 -0400
Subject: ISO 14000 Perceptions?
Do you have a moment to contribute to the base understanding of the
perceptions of the Environmental Management System ISO 14000?
For an upcoming paper, I am researching the opinions of various groups toward
the ISO 14000, and would be very interested in hearing your opinion
concerning the following four questions.
For those who are kind enough to reply, I will mail you back the compiled
results of this survey.
1. What do you feel are the benefits and disadvantages of implementing the
ISO 14000 Environmental Management system within your or your client’s
organization?
2. What do you feel are the benefits and disadvantages of having the
organization become ISO 14000 certified?
3. What do you feel could be done to improve the acceptance by industry of
the ISO 14000 Environmental Management System?
4. Do you plan on implementing the ISO 14000 Environmental Management System
standard and if so when.
Please indicate what industry you are primarily involved in. (service,
manufacturing, registrar, consulting or education)
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely yours,
David Burdick PE
Tel. (+1) 414 569-1890
E-Mail Dburd52011@aol.com
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From: Adrian Albrecht
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:18:40 -0700
Subject: Re: ISO 14000 Perceptions?
At 10:38 AM 10/27/95 -0400, DBurd52011@aol.com wrote:
>Do you have a moment to contribute to the base understanding of the
>perceptions of the Environmental Management System ISO 14000?
>
>For an upcoming paper, I am researching the opinions of various groups toward
>the ISO 14000, and would be very interested in hearing your opinion
>concerning the following four questions.
>
>For those who are kind enough to reply, I will mail you back the compiled
>results of this survey.
>
>1. What do you feel are the benefits and disadvantages of implementing the
>ISO 14000 Environmental Management system within your or your client's
>organization?
>
At present I see no need for us to go ISO 14000. We are a smaller company so
it is more economical to go to outside services for environmentally related
testing, regulatory issues and general contract work to resolve disposal
issues.
>2. What do you feel are the benefits and disadvantages of having the
>organization become ISO 14000 certified?
>
Our disadvantage would be cost, with no foreseen benefits.
>3. What do you feel could be done to improve the acceptance by industry of
>the ISO 14000 Environmental Management System?
>
A federal requirement.
>4. Do you plan on implementing the ISO 14000 Environmental Management System
>standard and if so when.
>
No
>Please indicate what industry you are primarily involved in. (service,
>manufacturing, registrar, consulting or education)
>
Manufacturing.
>Thank you for your time.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>
>David Burdick PE
>Tel. (+1) 414 569-1890
>E-Mail Dburd52011@aol.com
>
>
>
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Adrian Albrecht
Process/Environmental Engineer
via mail: albrecht@teleport.com
via mail: 73554.146@compuserve.com
Phone: 503/656-9653
Fax: 503/656-1788
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In pursuit of Man's quest to gain universal
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