iso14000-digest        Monday, October 6 1997        Volume 02 : Number 013




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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:34:11 -0000
From: "jlsprof-1" 
Subject: Nonresident Graduate Programs

I am currently about half way through a Masters degree program in
Environmental Sciences at Johns Hopkins University.  While the program is a
good one, I'm finding it difficult to continue because of job related
travel as well as distance of my current employer from the JHU campus.
I'm interested in possibly transferring into an accredited, graduate-level
environmental sciences, or sustainable development, program that doesn't
require taking classes on campus.  In other words, I'm seeking a
long-distance program that can be worked through e-mail or correspondence
with minimal or no time actually spent on campus.
Is anyone aware of such a program?  As I said, it needs to be accredited
and high quality.  I'm not seeking just a piece of paper, but rather a good
quality education in the subject, as well.
Jim Smith
jlsprof@erols.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:46:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)" 
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["Bursley, Juanita M" ]    (fwd)

NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
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Thank you for your cooperation.
Bill

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:17:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bursley, Juanita M" 
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: ISO-14000 GAP ANALYSIS

  I am the corporate environmental manager for an international 
  manufacturing company with well-established health, safety and 
  environmental protection (HS&EP) programs.  These programs are 
  implemented globally.  Our corporate HS&EP policies are endorsed by
our 
  President and supported by senior management.  This support includes a

  corporate compliance audit program.
  
  Our written environmental standards currently cover waste management,
air 
  emissions, surface and groundwater protection and pollution
prevention.  
  These standards tell "what" must be provided at each location, but the

  decision as to "how" the requirements will be implemented is made at
the 
  location level. Therefore, the standards are written to be "results 
  oriented", and they do not provide a lot of details.
  
  Some of our locations are currently ISO-9000 certified and there may
some 
  advantages to also becoming ISO-14000 certified.  Therefore, we are in

  the process of reviewing the ISO-14000 standards, in an attempt to
better 
  understand what additional requirements we would have to meet to
become 
  eligible for certification.  We understand from our readings that many

  other companies are performing a "gap analysis" to define the 
  discrepancies between their established environmental programs and the

  management system requirements under the ISO-14000 standards.
  
  We would prefer to conduct this assessment in-house, by the end of the

  year, and at minimal cost.  However, we're not exactly sure how to 
  complete this task, especially because the ISO standards are written
in 
  so generic terms, and are very open to interpretation.  We're thinking
of 
  putting together a small team to complete this task, including
corporate 
  and location environmental professionals, and at least one team member

  with ISO-9000 certification experience.  
  
  We would appreciate some help from anyone who has successfully
completed 
  this type of comparison between their environmental programs and the 
  ISO-14000 standards.  We are interested in learning from any of your 
  experiences that you are willing to share.  Some of our specific 
  questions are given below:
  
  1) What resources did you use to conduct the "gap analysis"?  Did you
use 
  in-house resources only or hire a consulting firm?  Would you
recommend 
  the same or something else, and why?
  
  2) How did you go about completing the "gap analysis"?  What exactly
was 
  the process?  
  
  3) Did you use some sort of "tool" to conduct the analysis in an 
  organized step-by-step method?  Was this "tool" a software program
that 
  you purchased from a consulting firm or something developed in-house?

  Would you recommend the same or something else, and why?
  
  4) Did you compare your corporate environmental standards or a
specific 
  location's environmental programs to the ISO-14000 standards?  Would
you 
  recommend the same or something else, and why?
  
  5) How long a process was the "gap analysis"?  Is our target
reasonable? 
  Do you have any specific recommendations for making this analysis more

  efficient, based on your experiences?
  
  Thanks for any help you can offer!
  
                                                        JMB

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:16:00 +0200
From: perry@netvision.net.il (perry davies)
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["Bursley, Juanita M" ]    (fwd)

Dear JMB,

Balance of Nature is  an environmental management consultancy practicing in
Israel and abroad. We have recently completed assisting a company preparing
for ISO 14001-EMS. The company started the process in the days of BS 7750
and prepared the Initial Environmental Review or as it is termed in the
US-"Gap Analysis" prior to the advent of ISO 14000.

The purpose of the gap analysis is to identify the "gap" between where the
company is in environmental terms to where it ought to be in order to meet
the Standard requirements. Sort of getting into shape before a race so that
you can commence the race at a given starting point.

ISO 14000 doesÝ not specifically require an initial env'tal review but the
Standard's guidelines-ISO 14004 defines what it can cover:
Identification of legislative and regulatory requirements;
Identification of environmental aspects of its activities, products or
services so as to determine those that have or can have significant impacts
and liabilities;
Evaluation of performance compares with relevant internal criteria,
external standards, guidelines etc.;
Existing environmental management practices and procedures;

... and so on.

A word about conducting the analysis on your own. It  may save costs
initially but in the long run it will take longer since you have to go
through a learning process.

Becoming aware of your environmental impacts is not the same as developing
an EMS. Certified Environmental Consultants like myself, specialise in
establishing environmental management systems and will do it for you at
mininal cost without diverting you from your responsibilities. Setting up
an in-house team I'd say is a prerequisite to implementing the ISO 14000
Standard.

Reources: Depends in what "environmental" shape you're in. As indicated
above, use a consulting firm + in-house manpower;

Completing gap analysis: should be carried out before you start working on
the next stage of determining an environmental policy and targets and
objectives;

Tools: There are no specific tools although you'll probably find lots of
gimmicks. There are several computer programmes to assist you preparing the
EMS. By nature they may not suit everyone;

Comparing Your standards: You do this at the Gap Analysis stage;

How Long: Depends on several factors: how well prepared are you? do you
know your env'tal impacts? do you know all the regulatory requirements you
need to meet? how large is your organisation? To name a few!

The Internet is awonderful means of communication but I suggest that if you
want more specific advice contact us directly. We operate world wide and
specialise in assisting companies in establishing Environmental Managment
Systems within ISO 14000 and without.

Sincerely,

Perry Davies



Environmental Management Consultant
Balance of Nature
P.O.Box 3360
Karmei Yosef
ISRAEL 99797

Tel:+972-8-9286-156
Fax:+972-8-9287-472
Mobile: 050 458-405
Email:perry@netvision.net.il

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:29:16 +1000
From: Ric Morgan 
Subject: Gap Analysis

I agree with the consultant from Israel regarding the usefulness of
consultant.  I must of course add the rider that I am a consultant.

We have undertaken Gap-Analyses for a number of clients.  I don't think
that they are the same as the initial review as set out in the
BS7750/ISO14k. At least the way we have done them is not.  It is rather
an assessment of the systems in place and the identification of the gaps

so as to develop a strategy for the development of the rest.

We actually use this sort of gap analysis to do a large number of the
management systems consulting we do across the OH&S, Env, & other risk
management areas.

I would not recommend any software gimmicks.

I think your time frames are fine.  I would say that It may be quite
helpful to set-up the target end of the gap analysis with a consultant
and then work up some ways of doing it - a spreadsheet, an audit
protocol, whatever will work for you.  Then use some internal resources
to do the checking - use the consultant as a facilitator.

After you know where the gaps are the next bit can also be tricky if you

don't have the competencies in house.  Working out a strategy to get the

gaps fixed.  If you have good Env skills in house or even just good
systems management skills, (and not all ISO9K systems deliver this in my

experience), then this may also be do-able in house.

When we work at setting up systems management approaches to OH&S or Env
we really only like to work as facilitators and the providers of expert
advice.  Writing a system for people just doesn't work, (or at least
very rarely).  The systems need to come from within, (sure those within
may need prodding pushing and dragging), or the ownership will not be
there and more often than not the procedures won't work properly within
the business and hence wont be used.

JMR - It seems a very sensible way to go about it to me. Build on what
you have got. Integrate with other systems. Don't build it apart from
your 9k systems but also don't bury your 14k in all the same things your

9K needs because it won't need them all.

- --
Ric Morgan 
Noel Arnold & Associates Pty Ltd
2 Gale Street, MORTLAKE  NSW  2137, AUSTRALIA
Ph: + 61 2 9743 1261 Fax: + 61 2 9743 1241

Noel Arnold & Associates Pty Ltd (http://www.ozemail.com.au/~naanet/)are
a privately owned Occupational Health, Safety and Environmental
Consultancy. But the information is Ric Morgan's and represents his
opinions.

PO Box 464, St Leonards, NSW, 2065, Australia
Ph + 61 41 931 2229

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)" 
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["Franklin B. Burrows" ]    (fwd)

NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
the posting, but definitely NOT to me.

Thank you for your cooperation.
Bill

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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Franklin B. Burrows" 
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Southwestern Ontario

Are there any participants on this list located, or doing business in, 
Southwestern Ontario?

Thank you,

FB

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:37:00 +0800 (SGT)
From: Tan Kian Seng 
Subject: Re: Paper Towels Vs. Hot Air Hand Dryers

Personally, I still think that carrying your own little hankerchief and 
using them to dry your hands is the better method. As for the argument on 
the amount of water, detergent etc that needs to be used to wash these 
hankerchiefs, I don't think they really matter that much. Wash your 
hankerchiefs together with your other laundry and that will not matter 
anymore, right?

Besides, it will take some time before you will need to throw away these 
hankerchiefs due to wear and tear. But before that, they can also be 
recycled as rags.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:51:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)" 
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["Hale, Greg" ]    (fwd)

NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
the posting, but definitely NOT to me.

Thank you for your cooperation.
Bill

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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Hale, Greg" 
To: "'iso14000@quality.org'" 
Subject: RE: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["
	Bursley, Juanita M" ]    (fwd)

Ms. Bursley, there are several case studies available in various media
such as newsletters, books, and websites which may help you figure out
the answer to your questions. Different companies are taking a variety
of approaches and you should try to familarize yourself with the choices
you have in this area. We have a website located at www.iso14000.net
that may help. While some of the site is available to subscribers only,
a large part is public and could provide the assistance you seek.
greg hale
greg.hale@getf.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator) [SMTP:help@quality.org]
> Sent:	Monday, September 29, 1997 10:47 PM
> To:	iso14000@quality.org
> Subject:	BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission
> from ["Bursley, Juanita M" ]    (fwd)
> 
> 
> 
> NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
> "Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed
> in
> the posting, but definitely NOT to me.
> 
> Thank you for your cooperation.
> Bill
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:17:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Bursley, Juanita M" 
> To: iso14000@quality.org
> Subject: ISO-14000 GAP ANALYSIS
> 
>   I am the corporate environmental manager for an international 
>   manufacturing company with well-established health, safety and 
>   environmental protection (HS&EP) programs.  These programs are 
>   implemented globally.  Our corporate HS&EP policies are endorsed by
> our 
>   President and supported by senior management.  This support includes
> a
> 
>   corporate compliance audit program.
>   
>   Our written environmental standards currently cover waste
> management,
> air 
>   emissions, surface and groundwater protection and pollution
> prevention.  
>   These standards tell "what" must be provided at each location, but
> the
> 
>   decision as to "how" the requirements will be implemented is made at
> the 
>   location level. Therefore, the standards are written to be "results 
>   oriented", and they do not provide a lot of details.
>   
>   Some of our locations are currently ISO-9000 certified and there may
> some 
>   advantages to also becoming ISO-14000 certified.  Therefore, we are
> in
> 
>   the process of reviewing the ISO-14000 standards, in an attempt to
> better 
>   understand what additional requirements we would have to meet to
> become 
>   eligible for certification.  We understand from our readings that
> many
> 
>   other companies are performing a "gap analysis" to define the 
>   discrepancies between their established environmental programs and
> the
> 
>   management system requirements under the ISO-14000 standards.
>   
>   We would prefer to conduct this assessment in-house, by the end of
> the
> 
>   year, and at minimal cost.  However, we're not exactly sure how to 
>   complete this task, especially because the ISO standards are written
> in 
>   so generic terms, and are very open to interpretation.  We're
> thinking
> of 
>   putting together a small team to complete this task, including
> corporate 
>   and location environmental professionals, and at least one team
> member
> 
>   with ISO-9000 certification experience.  
>   
>   We would appreciate some help from anyone who has successfully
> completed 
>   this type of comparison between their environmental programs and the
> 
>   ISO-14000 standards.  We are interested in learning from any of your
> 
>   experiences that you are willing to share.  Some of our specific 
>   questions are given below:
>   
>   1) What resources did you use to conduct the "gap analysis"?  Did
> you
> use 
>   in-house resources only or hire a consulting firm?  Would you
> recommend 
>   the same or something else, and why?
>   
>   2) How did you go about completing the "gap analysis"?  What exactly
> was 
>   the process?  
>   
>   3) Did you use some sort of "tool" to conduct the analysis in an 
>   organized step-by-step method?  Was this "tool" a software program
> that 
>   you purchased from a consulting firm or something developed
> in-house?
> 
>   Would you recommend the same or something else, and why?
>   
>   4) Did you compare your corporate environmental standards or a
> specific 
>   location's environmental programs to the ISO-14000 standards?  Would
> you 
>   recommend the same or something else, and why?
>   
>   5) How long a process was the "gap analysis"?  Is our target
> reasonable? 
>   Do you have any specific recommendations for making this analysis
> more
> 
>   efficient, based on your experiences?
>   
>   Thanks for any help you can offer!
>   
>                                                         JMB

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:05:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)" 
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["heather weir" ]    (fwd)

NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
the posting, but definitely NOT to me.

Thank you for your cooperation.
Bill

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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:37:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "heather weir" 
To: iso14000@cyberq.quality.org
Subject: Implementing ISO14001 course

Hi,

Does anyone have knowledge of a good Implementation course being run in the UK
sometime AFTER 20th November but before the end of the year - I am having
trouble
finding a good course to fit in with my schedule...

Thanks
Heather

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Heather Weir - Quality Manager
Silicon Graphics Mfg SA,   Ch. des Rochettes 2,  CH-2016,  Cortaillod   
Phone:  41-32 -843-3643     Fax:  843-3900    Voicemail: 3643

"Mediocrity is Habit Forming, Perfection Unattainable - Strive for Excellence!"

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:46:46 -0400
From: Frank Montabon 
Subject: Re: Cloth Vs. Disposable Diapers

Some of you may want this thread to die, but as a soon-to-be new father, I
had to chime in.

In a previous post to this e-mail list, Raymond Murphy detailed a study
(possibly done by Arthur D. Little) that showed the environmental impact of
cloth vs. disposable diapers was "a wash."

I believe that this equation has changed somewhat due to the increasingly
popularity of a home appliance known as the "Diaper Genie."  It is
available for about $25 US.  It takes your used disposable diaper and wraps
it in plastic.  The idea is to cut down on the smell and on the mess.  From
what my friends tell me, you end up with something that resemble a chain of
sausage links, with the plastic wrap connecting individually sealed
diapers.  (Sorry for the unfortunate analogy, but it is the most accurate
representation I could think up.)

Obviously, this changes the equation a bit, especially as this "Genie"
becomes more and more popular.  It adds a lot of plastic into the mix, and
probably slows down the decomposition process.  I am not sure how thick the
plastic is, nor how tight the seal is.  So, the question becomes - anyone
seen a study on the added environmental impact of the "Diaper Genie"?

- -Frank

***************************************************
Frank Montabon
Ph.D. Candidate
N461 NBC
Department of Marketing and Supply Chain Management
The Eli Broad Graduate School of Management
East Lansing, MI USA 48824-1122
Phone: (517) 353-6381 x276
Fax: (517) 432-1112
e-mail: montabon@pilot.msu.edu
WWW: http://pilot.msu.edu/user/montabon
***************************************************

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:18:11 EST
From: "David L. Turner" 
Subject: Re: Cloth Vs. Disposable Diapers

I have washed diapers for two children and found it not a
real difficult job.  It is a couple more loads a week.  I
find it hard to believe that thjis is anywhere clse to an
equibalent to the environmental impact of disposable
diapers.  I believe the comparison was between use of a
diaper service and disposables however.  

All this notwithstanding, the addition of MORE plastic to
the environment via any means can only add to the
environmental impact.  I'm not trying to be crabby here,
but there seems no need to do any study to determine this.  
If anything, theuse of the Diaper Genie only encourages 
laziness and avoidance of the realities of baby care.  
Well, maybe I do mean to be a little crabby.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Profit is the result and reward of
doing things right and doing the right 
things. Therein lies the balance.
   Randy Berger, Comdial Corporation



Regards,


David Turner
YSI Safety Coordinator
1725 Brannum Lane
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Email:  DTurner@YSI.com
Phone 1-937-767-1685 ext. 270
Facmetaphor:  1-937-767-9353

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:05:22 +0000
From: bhamner@dataserve.aim.edu.ph
Subject: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?

I am working on a paper on environmental management of the supply chain and
would like to find out if there are companies which have been REQUIRED to
get ISO 14001 certified by their buyers, and which would not have become
certified otherwise.  Can anyone provide me with company names and in
particular any published references or contacts for said companies?  I will
compile all info gathered and provide an update to this list.  Thanks!

Burt Hamner
Asian Institute of Management

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Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:27:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: flahive@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?

On 10/06/97 09:05:22 you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>I am working on a paper on environmental management of the supply chain and
>would like to find out if there are companies which have been REQUIRED to
>get ISO 14001 certified by their buyers, and which would not have become
>certified otherwise.  Can anyone provide me with company names and in
>particular any published references or contacts for said companies?  I will
>compile all info gathered and provide an update to this list.  Thanks!
>
>Burt Hamner
>Asian Institute of Management
>
>
>
>

Good question!  I^Òd like to know too!  
I^Òd like to know why any company would need to have a supplier certify it^Òs EMS.  
Certianly there are parts of a suppliers activities that may need to meet a client^Òs EMS, and 
certification would assure that a supplier meets all the elements of ISO 14000 and thus it is easier for 
a company to consider the supplier as attempting to be in control of it^Òs environmental issues and a 
more consistant supplier because it is less likely to have delays and financial losses due to 
environmental problems.

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:05:19 -0400
From: jorser@niagara.com (J. Orser)
Subject: Re: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?

>>
>>I am working on a paper on environmental management of the supply chain and
>>would like to find out if there are companies which have been REQUIRED to
>>get ISO 14001 certified by their buyers, and which would not have become
>>certified otherwise.  Can anyone provide me with company names and in
>>particular any published references or contacts for said companies?  I will
>>compile all info gathered and provide an update to this list.  Thanks!
>>
>>Burt Hamner
>>Asian Institute of Management
>
>Good question!  I'd like to know too!  
>I'd like to know why any company would need to have a supplier certify it's
EMS. 

Any company that claims to have a concern for the environment must also
consider the environmental impact of the products/raw material that it buys
to produce its own products.  Buying from a company with a poor
environmental record extends the problem to the purchaser, who then cannot
claim to be blameless with respect to environmental concerns.  Part of the
environmental policy should deal with the need to purchase from
environmentally clean suppliers, complete with inspections of their facility
and EMS to determine if what is stated is true.
 
___________
John Orser, OHST, ROHT
*****Orser Environmental & Safety Inc.*****14000 International*****
195 King St., Suite 204, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2R 3J6
(905) 688-0500  Fax 688-4746, jorser@niagara.com,  E&OE
"I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more
specific."  Lily Tomlin

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:21:24 -0400
From: Durval_Lima@akzo-nobel-chem.com.br
Subject: INFOTERRA: ISO CD 14042.2 and ISO CD 14043.2

- ---------------------- Forwarded by Durval Lima/AKZO-NOBEL on 10/06/97
12:17 PM ---------------------------


ngtf@hotmail.com on 10/02/97 12:38:12 AM

Please respond to ngtf@hotmail.com

To:   infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at
cc:    (bcc: Durval Lima/AKZO-NOBEL)
Subject:  INFOTERRA: ISO CD 14042.2 and ISO CD 14043.2




The ISO is now in the process of seeking consensus to upgrade the
documents on Life Cycle Assessment from committee draft 140042.2 and
14043.2 to draft international standards. Certain quarters are of the
opinion that the formulation of these particular standards are moving
too fast as the LCA methodology is still new. Furthermore it is
anticipated that developing countries will find it difficult to follow
these standards as they are still in the process of getting used to the
ISO standards on EMS and EA. Can anyone who is familiar with these two
standards share their opinion on this matter?
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 09:56:19 
From: iso_at_CANDIAC@komint.com
Subject: Questionnaire

     Does anyone have a suggestion where I may be able to view a sample 
     questionnaire used to address the concerns of various internal and 
     external parties?
     
     
     Thank you in advance,
     
     
     Chris.

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:57:12 -0400
From: "Dubreuil, Alain" 
Subject: [none]

ECO-INDICATORS FOR PRODUCTS AND MATERIALS
         - STATE OF PLAY '97: AN INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP 

The Mineral Technology Branch of the Canada Centre for Mineral and
Energy Technology (CANMET) is organizing an international workshop on
environmental scoring systems - "eco-indicator" models - for products
and materials. 

Those "eco-indicators" models sometime apply  the life cycle assessment
methodology developed by the Society for Environmental Toxicology and
Chemistry (SETAC) and standardized by the ISO 14000. 

The event will bring together leading developers and users of
eco-indicators with industry, government and the environmental community
to discuss environmental, scientific, social and economic issues related
to eco-indicators. 

PLACE AND DATE

Ontario Science Centre
Toronto, Ontario
Canada

November 25, 1997

FOR MORE INFORMATION

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/eco-e.htm

CONTACT

Dr. Alain Dubreuil
Mineral Technology Branch, CANMET
Natural Resources Canada
555, Booth Street
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1A 0G1

Tel.: (613) 995-5844
Fax: (613) 996-9041
E-mail: dubreuil@nrcan.gc.ca

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:44:07 -0400
From: Mark_Leece@SPG.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Subject: Re: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?

     One company you may want to look at is SGS-Thompson Microelectronics.  
     SGS, as many of you may well know, was the first company to certify a 
     site to ISO 14001 (at that time still DIS) in the United States.  They 
     plan to certify all sites to ISO 14001 and EMAS by the end of this 
     year.  Furthermore in a keynote speech delivered at the 3rd Annual 
     International ESH Conference for the semiconductor industry the CEO 
     for SGS-Thompson announced that suppliers would be required be ISO 
     14001 or EMAS certified by 1999.  There are also other semiconductor 
     companies hinting of similar requirements in the future.   
     
     Mark Leece
     SAES Pure Gas


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?
Author:  INTERNET:bhamner@dataserve.aim.edu.ph at CSERVE
Date:    10/5/97 9:48 PM


     
     
     
I am working on a paper on environmental management of the supply chain and 
would like to find out if there are companies which have been REQUIRED to 
get ISO 14001 certified by their buyers, and which would not have become 
certified otherwise.  Can anyone provide me with company names and in 
particular any published references or contacts for said companies?  I will 
compile all info gathered and provide an update to this list.  Thanks!
     
Burt Hamner
Asian Institute of Management
     
     

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:43:02 -0400
From: Mark_Leece@SPG.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Subject: Re: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?

     One company you may want to look at is SGS-Thompson Microelectronics.  
     SGS, as many of you may well know, was the first company to certify a 
     site to ISO 14001 (at that time still DIS) in the United States.  They 
     plan to certify all sites to ISO 14001 and EMAS by the end of this 
     year.  Furthermore in a keynote speech delivered at the 3rd Annual 
     International ESH Conference for the semiconductor industry the CEO 
     for SGS-Thompson announced that suppliers would be required be ISO 
     14001 or EMAS certified by 1999.  There are also other semiconductor 
     companies hinting of similar requirements in the future.   
     
     Mark Leece
     SAES Pure Gas


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?
Author:  INTERNET:bhamner@dataserve.aim.edu.ph at CSERVE
Date:    10/5/97 9:48 PM


     
     
     
I am working on a paper on environmental management of the supply chain and 
would like to find out if there are companies which have been REQUIRED to 
get ISO 14001 certified by their buyers, and which would not have become 
certified otherwise.  Can anyone provide me with company names and in 
particular any published references or contacts for said companies?  I will 
compile all info gathered and provide an update to this list.  Thanks!
     
Burt Hamner
Asian Institute of Management
     
     

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:39:58 -0500
From: "Bill Vorley" 
Subject: ISO 14000 and food processors

We are very interested in the potential impacts of ISO14000 on the greening
of food processors' supply chains, especially on agricultural practices of
corn and soybean farms. These grain crops are primarily used in animal feed
or as feedstock for food processing (sweetener, oils etc.) and unlike fruit
and vegetables, they do not have a significant consumer resonance. My
question is: Will ISO14000 certification of food processing corporations
create openings (and perhaps premium prices) for agricultural cooperatives
and/or seed companies that can provide "greener" corn and soybeans which
have been grown using regenerative farming techniques?

All comments and suggestions would be most welcome!

Thank you,
Bill Vorley
Director, Environment and Agriculture Program
Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy
2105 First Avenue South
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA 55404-2505
Phone-Direct 	(01)-612-870-3436
Phone-General	(01)-612-870-0453
Fax		(01)-612-870-4846
Email:        bvorley@iatp.org
URLs:         http://www.sustain.org/enviroag/  
		http://www.iatp.org/iatp

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:50:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)" 
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["Hale, Greg" ]    (fwd)

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"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
the posting, but definitely NOT to me.

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Bill

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:51:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Hale, Greg" 
To: "'iso14000@quality.org'" 
Subject: RE: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?

John, I manage an ISO 14000 website http://www.iso14000.net for the
Global Environment & Technology Foundation in the US. We have a case
study section with about 50 articles on EMS implementation and
registration. Perhaps you could find some good examples there. Some of
the site is subscription only and available only through purchasing a
one-year subscription, but a part of the site is public. I know of some
companies such as Lockheed Martin, and Hamilton Standard United
Technologies that have been asked for EMS certification during the
contract procurement process. Lockheed was asked by two Asian countries
and Hamilton was asked by NASA. 

greg hale
Program Manager ISO 14000 Internet Services
greg.hale@getf.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	jorser@niagara.com [SMTP:jorser@niagara.com]
> Sent:	Monday, October 06, 1997 8:05 AM
> To:	iso14000@quality.org
> Subject:	Re: Who's been REQUIRED to get certified?
> 
> >>
> >>I am working on a paper on environmental management of the supply
> chain and
> >>would like to find out if there are companies which have been
> REQUIRED to
> >>get ISO 14001 certified by their buyers, and which would not have
> become
> >>certified otherwise.  Can anyone provide me with company names and
> in
> >>particular any published references or contacts for said companies?
> I will
> >>compile all info gathered and provide an update to this list.
> Thanks!
> >>
> >>Burt Hamner
> >>Asian Institute of Management
> >
> >Good question!  I'd like to know too!  
> >I'd like to know why any company would need to have a supplier
> certify it's
> EMS. 
> 
> Any company that claims to have a concern for the environment must
> also
> consider the environmental impact of the products/raw material that it
> buys
> to produce its own products.  Buying from a company with a poor
> environmental record extends the problem to the purchaser, who then
> cannot
> claim to be blameless with respect to environmental concerns.  Part of
> the
> environmental policy should deal with the need to purchase from
> environmentally clean suppliers, complete with inspections of their
> facility
> and EMS to determine if what is stated is true.
>  
> ___________
> John Orser, OHST, ROHT
> *****Orser Environmental & Safety Inc.*****14000 International*****
> 195 King St., Suite 204, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2R 3J6
> (905) 688-0500  Fax 688-4746, jorser@niagara.com,  E&OE
> "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been
> more
> specific."  Lily Tomlin
> 

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