iso14000-digest Wednesday, November 26 1997 Volume 02 : Number 016
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 18:43:36 +0000
From: Richard Frey
Subject: Re: Need some info..
Dear Mary,
I can't help with ISO 9000 information sources. As regards ISO 14001
implementation, no you do not need ISO 9000 for that. ISO 14001 uses
some ISO 9000 procedures as building blocks, but that's it. If those
procedures are suitable (efficient, effective, used, valued), they can be
used as a foundation for ISO 14001, saving time and effort, as well as
reducing the amount of 'newness' middle management has to face.
If they are not suitable, the certifiers will spend a lot of time
inspecting your foundations before they even get to your EMS. In these
circumstances, it may be better to do a 'standalone' implementation, or
even postpone ISO 14001 implementation until your quality management
system is sorted out.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
Frey Environmental Associates Limited
Specialists in the design and implementation of environmental management
systems.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:25 -0500
From: Sidney Vianna
Subject: Employment opportunities for environmental auditors
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Best regards
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:29:36 -0000
From: "Aleksander Mortensen"
Subject: EMSs in SMEs
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:46:14 +0000
From: Matthias Gelber
Subject: Response to Teresa Iaquinta
Dear Teresa
I think you are in the same situation as many other EMS coordinators out
there. I agree with Richard Frey about the importance of top management
comittment, but circumstances are often different. I assume that your
site has been given a target from headquarters to implement ISO 14001,
but site management can't see any benefits in it and maybe they have
even had the experience of an over buerocratic non value adding ISO 9000
system, which might have given then the perception that they should be
cautious about any new ISO management standards (this at least was the
result I got a while ago from an EU funded research project I
conducted).
My advise for you is as follows:
- -prepare a presentation to the management by conducting an ISO 14001 gap
analysis of your site and identifying strenghts and weaknesses of your
current way of doing environmental management. Highlight the weaknesses
of the existing approach, the business and financial implications of
them and how an EMS according to ISO 14001 could add value. I did this
recently in similar conditions as in your case and generally you will
find that management does not like the weaknesses and is at least
willing to support initiatives for them to be improved.
- -make an estimate of your annual environmental costs (electricity
consumption , raw material costs which end up in waste,
cleanup,disposal, end of the pipe equipement ......). Present that
figure to the board and make some predictions on how much money could be
saved through cleaner production and pollution prevention, which should
be focuss of your EMS in order for it to add financial value and
environmental performance improvement, which will be crucial in the
opinion of stakeholders. Case studies can be helpfull to illustrate that
point.
- -define some success factors and objectives for your EMS implementation
project and for the design of the system. (too many companies just rush
into such a project for the sake of getting the certificate and they
never consider major systems design issues which are crucial for the
success of such a project)
- -ask top management about their opinions on how an EMS could add value
to the organisation after they have been given an introduction about the
intention of ISO 14001
- -consult middle managment, operations people and other employees and ask
them on how the system could add value to their needs and how ISO 14001
can help them to achieve their targets. The comittment and enthusiasm
coming from the bottom is crucial for every ISO 14001 project, but in
your case it is even more essential.
- -keep you ISO 14001 system seperate from your ISO 9000 system initially.
Only use existing procedure (I like the way Richard Frey puts it) if
those procedures are suitable (efficient, effective, used, valued). Make
sure that the system is relevant, value adding, slim in documentation
(ISO 14001 prescribes less documentation than most people think) and
understood and lived by your employees. Focuss in the early stages on
identifying win,win initiatives in order to reinforce and deliver the
bottom line opportunities for your organisation.
I think (and I have seen it happening in some cases) if an EMS according
to ISO 14001 becomes a positive and supporting experience to companies,
then management support will inevitably grow.
Regards
teresa.iaquinta@usfla.mail.abb.com wrote:
>
> We are currently in the pre-planning stage of ISO 14000. We do not have senior
> management commitment. This is a reoccurring and rather inhibiting issue of
> our EMS implementation plan. While I realize the importance of executive
> management commitment in the EMS process, I would rather channel my focus to
> gaining that commitment versus complaining about it. I am the ISO 14000
> Coordinator at our facility and am trying to move us along so that we can be
> certified 14001 by the end of 1998. We do have small pieces of an EMS,
> nothing documented, in place. Has anyone had the luxury of gaining this
> management commitment as the EMS process is being developed? In other words,
> gained a reactive management to become proactive, as far as ISO 14000 is i
> nvolved? Any words of wisdom especially for an EMS in the infancy stage?
> lessons learned? Our facility is ISO 9001 certified and frankly I am tried of
> hearing how similar the process is with regards to 14000, with no proof. I
> realize that components such as document control and auditing may be similar ,
> but people at least from my stand point are comparing Quality to the
> Environment. I do not see any correlation Its apples to oranges as far as I
> am concerned. Can anyone help widen my narrow view, if it is possible?? Any and
> all help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Teresa Iaquinta
> ISO 14000/ Safety Coordinator
> e- mail address is teresa.iaquinta@usfla.mail.abb.com
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Matthias Gelber
14000 & ONE Solutions
PO BOX 1005
Stoke-on-Trent UK
ST4 2XY
Phone: +44 70000 14000
Fax: +44 70000 14001
Alternative Fax and Voicemail: +44 171 6917249
Email: mgelber@ibm.net
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:48:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Keith Forsyth ] (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:42:27 +0000
To: ISO14000@quality.org
From: Keith Forsyth
Subject: ISO14001
Dear All,
I have read that ISO14001 specifies the requirements for an
environmental management system against which an organisation may be
certified by a third party. I have also read that it is possible for an
organisation to make a self-declaration of compliance to the standard -
in effect, self-certification.
Can a company really say that it is ISO14000 certified on the basis of
its own internal assessment? If so, does the company need to provide
proof of its self-certification to ISO and if so, how is this proof
provided and who validates the information?
In addition, any comments regarding approximate percentages of companies
achieving ISO14000 on a self-declaration basis versus those achieving
ISO14000 on the basis of third party certification would be very much
appreciated. My initial thought is that companies would opt for self-
declaration??
Yours faithfully,
Keith Forsyth
LTS International
keithf@ltsi.demon.co.uk
Keith Forsyth
LTS International Ltd
Tel: 0131 (+44131) 440 5500
Fax: 0131 (+44131) 440 5501
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:49:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Susan Raines ] (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:27:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Susan Raines
To: iso14000@cyberq.quality.org
Subject: Re: iso14000-digest V2 #15
Does anyone have information on ISO 14000 and its implementation in a
Third World firm? I am attempting to investigate the pros and cons of iso
14000 in non-western settings.
I would appreciate any and all information.
Thank You,
Susan S. Raines
School of Public and Environmental Affairs
Indiana University
sraines@indiana.edu
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:51:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from ["Robert Clifford, Jr." ] (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:13:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
To: ISO14000-L
Subject: Municipalities & ISO 14001
Is anyone aware of municipalities or municipal agencies that have
implemented ISO 14001 ?
Robert Clifford
ISO Environmental Consultancy
Schenectady NY 12308
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:30:43 -0500
From: "Hale, Greg"
Subject: RE: Non-member submission from ["Robert Clifford, Jr." ] (fwd)
Robert, you may want to check the Global Environment & Technology
Foundation's ISO 14000 website (http://www.iso14000.net) under Govt.
Reports for information on EPA's ISO 14001 implementation project with
municipalities. GETF is administering the program and providing
technical support to each of the nine participants. As part of the
program, GETF will be publishing updates as well as case studies on each
of the participants. And today we have placed the first case study on
the front page of the site.
Greg Hale
Program Manager, ISO 14000 Internet Services, GETF
greg.hale@getf.org
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Non-member submission from ["Robert Clifford, Jr."
> ] (fwd)
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>
>
> NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:13:31 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
> To: ISO14000-L
> Subject: Municipalities & ISO 14001
>
> Is anyone aware of municipalities or municipal agencies that have
> implemented ISO 14001 ?
>
> Robert Clifford
> ISO Environmental Consultancy
> Schenectady NY 12308
> 518-393-3392
> clifford@quality.org
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:04:56 +0100
From: Jost.Hamschmidt@IWO.unisg.ch
Subject: re: iso 14000 self-certification
>Can a company really say that it is ISO 14000 certified on the basis of
its own internal assessment?
Keith, just read the norm :-). ISO 14001, Point 1 (Scope) points out:
"This International Standard is applicable to any organization that wishes
to
a) implement, maintain and improve an environmental management system;
b) assure itself of its conformance with its stated environmental policy;
c) demonstrate such conformance to others;
d) seek certification/registration of its environmental management system
by an external organization;
e) make a self-determination and self-declaration of conformance with this
International Standard."(Source: EN ISO 14001, September 1996,p. 6)
Question: What distincts self-declaration from certification?
(Prerequisites for self-declaration and external certificaition are equal -
except the external Audit for certification) Anyway, self-declaration is
still uncommon.
If a company is using the norm primarily for internal processimprovements,
self-declaration might be an alternative to certification. If external
Stakeholders are a cause for the implementation of ISO 14001, certification
is a must.
Regards
Jost Hamschmidt
_____________
Jost Hamschmidt - University of St. Gallen
Institute for Economy and the Environment - Tigerbergstr. 2 - CH - 9000 St.
Gallen
phone: 0041-(0)71-224-2595 http://www.unisg.ch/~iwoe/index.html
fax: 0041-(0)71-224-2722 e-mail: jost.hamschmidt@iwo.unisg.ch
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:32:34 -0800
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: Re: Municipalities & ISO 14001
At 07:51 AM 11/21/97 -0500, Robert Clifford wrote:
>
>Is anyone aware of municipalities or municipal agencies that have
>implemented ISO 14001 ?
>
Regulation Watch, a newsletter issued by the Water Environment Federation
reports in the November 1997 issue that several
municipalities such as Lansing, Michigan, Gaithersburg, MD, Scottsdale, AZ
and Indianapolis, IN are involved in pilot projects for environmental
management systems based on ISO 14000.
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law:
Mediation:
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:42 -0800
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: Question regarding cost of registration
I was curious as to what a small business might expect to pay for an audit
to become registered under ISO 14000. For example, if a single-location
manufacturing facility (with 20 employees or less) that generated
wastewater discharged to a municipal treatment system and shipped hazardous
wastes for offsite disposal were to develop an environmental management
system that met the minimum requirements of ISO 14000, what range of fees
would be charged by a registrar to evaluate conformance with the standard.
My thought here is that because the environmental issues faced by many
small business are less complex than those faced by very large
manufacturing complexes, ISO certification might be more attractive to
those entities if they knew what the registration process would cost.
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law:
Mediation:
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 20:20:47 +0000
From: Richard Frey
Subject: Third world firms
Dear Susan,
Yes, I supported an ISO 14001 implementation in China. Leaving aside the
fact that all quality procedures were in mandarin, culture was a major
issue. I have also worked in Sarawak, but since that was for an
international consortium, it is probably not what you are looking for.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
>Does anyone have information on ISO 14000 and its implementation in a
>Third World firm? I am attempting to investigate the pros and cons of iso
>14000 in non-western settings.
>I would appreciate any and all information.
>
>Thank You,
>Susan S. Raines
>School of Public and Environmental Affairs
>Indiana University
>sraines@indiana.edu
Frey Environmental Associates Limited
Specialists in the design and implementation of environmental management
systems.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:10:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Michael Snider ] (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:41:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Snider
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: ISO 14001 self-declaration
>>> Keith Forsyth wrote "Can a company really say that it is ISO14000
certified on the basis of its own internal assessment? If so, does the
company need to provide proof of its self-certification to ISO and if so,
how is this proof provided and who validates the information?
Absolutely. The question is, will the "target audience" of the EMS accept
your self-declaration? The decision to adopt a standardized EMS such as
ISO 14001 is subject to numerous considerations. One of these
considerations is what level of assurance do you need to provide to your
stakeholders that you have an effective EMS? If a particular (important)
stakeholder doesn't trust your company, then self-declaration is a waste
of time. My company made the decision to institute ISO 14001. Two of
three sites pursued registration, while the third (my facility)
self-declared. Each of these decisions was appropriate, considering the
different stakeholders involved at each facility.
Michael Snider
e-mail: sniderm@wv.doe.gov
Tel: 716-942-2024
Fax: 716-942-2000
West Valley Nuclear Services
MS-AOC-16
10282 Rock Springs Road
West Valley, NY 14171-0191
>>> Keith Forsyth also wrote "If so, does the company need to provide proof of its self-certification to ISO and if so, how is this proof provided and who validates the information?"
As far as I'm aware, self-declaration involves no communication between the company and the registering body of the country, at least in the USA.
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:24:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Rick Gehrke ] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
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Thank you for your cooperation.
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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:54:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Gehrke
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Contract EMS Auditors
AWM, a U.S. based, ANSI-RAB accredited ISO 14001 registrar, is seeking
contract EMS auditors. Prerequisites include successful completion of
an accredited ISO 14000 EMS auditor training course, a degree in
environmental science or technology, environmental field experience, and
auditing experience. If interested, please contact AWM by phone or
direct email to request an application package (please do not reply by
post to this list).
AWM
P.O. Box 100
Hixson, TN 37343
(423) 843-2206
hr@awm.net
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Rick Gehrke
VP Operations
AWM
http://www.awm.net
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 20:04:49 +0000
From: Richard Frey
Subject: Certification costs
Dear Bert,
It is unlikely that certification cost will be much related to the complexity of environmental issues facing a company, or indeed the size of the company. It is much more likely to be determined by how much work the certifiers need to do to establish whe
ther the EMS complies to the standard or not. This will be affected by issues such as the credibility of internal auditing and existing arrangements, the simplicity and clarity of documentation, and the complexity of organisational structure.
If the EMS is built on a non-certified or non-audited management system, the certifiers can be expected to spend a lot of time looking at the foundations before they move on to an EMS built on those foundations.
As regards certification costs, for a company of say 150 employees or fewer I think it would be reasonable to expect something like this:
Document review: 1 man-day *
Initial visit: 1-2 man-days
Initial audit: 2-3 man-days
Total: 4-6 man-days
Follow-up audits: 1 man-day, twice a year
Day-rates vary between certification agencies, but I believe them to be in the range £500 - £600 per man-day in the UK at the moment. This would give a certification cost of £2,000 to £3,600 with a maintenance cost of £1,000 to £1,200 per year.
Interestingly, Det Norsk Veritas is offering a streamlined ISO 9000 certification for small companies, presumably with the blessing of the UK accreditation agency. It would be natural to expect a similar product for ISO 14001, but DNV coyly says it has n
o plans.
Certifying a company with as few as 20 employees should be a the low end of the above range. The company would need to be ruthless in keeping bureaucracy to the absolute minimum, not only to maximise transparency to the certifier, but also to keep operat
ing costs to the minimum. Unless certification were an absolute requirement, I would strongly suggest implementing an uncertified or even an informal EMS using the key elements.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
(* 'Man' here uses the neutral meaning.)
>
>I was curious as to what a small business might expect to pay for an audit
>to become registered under ISO 14000. For example, if a single-location
>manufacturing facility (with 20 employees or less) that generated
>wastewater discharged to a municipal treatment system and shipped hazardous
>wastes for offsite disposal were to develop an environmental management
>system that met the minimum requirements of ISO 14000, what range of fees
>would be charged by a registrar to evaluate conformance with the standard.
>
>My thought here is that because the environmental issues faced by many
>small business are less complex than those faced by very large
>manufacturing complexes, ISO certification might be more attractive to
>those entities if they knew what the registration process would cost.
Frey Environmental Associates Limited
Specialists in the design and implementation of environmental management systems.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:31:38 -0500 (EST)
From: JBSGS@aol.com
Subject: SA8000
Jorge Cajazeira wrote:
"I read an article about a new standard issued (SA 8000) in 8/10/97 by CEP
(Council of Economical Priorities) in USA. SGS ICS is the register of this
standard.
According the article this standard integrete QUALITY + ENV + SAFETY AND
HEALTH + SOCIAL QUESTIONS.
Does the list users has the copy of SA 8000 or know some contact in the CEP
?"
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SA8000 is a Social Accountability Standard developed by the CEPAA a division
of the Council on Economic Priorities in New York (& London). Contrary to the
information given, the standard does not address environmental or quality
issues. It does, however, address a series of social requirements for
organizations to meet, including applicable laws and some basic health and
safety issues.
Copies of the standard may be obtained from CEPAA at the address given below
- - Cost $10.00 (US). Inquiries regarding certification against the standard
should be forwarded to John Brookes or Lois O'Brien (Americas), or Mark
Miller (Europe/Africa/Asia/Australasia) at the SGS addresses shown.
CEPAA
30 Irving Place
New York, NY 10003-2386
USA
phone: 212 420 1133
fax: 212 420 0988
or
CEPAA
Windsor House
83 Kingsway, 7th Floor,
London, WC2B 6SD
United Kingdom
tel: 171 832 9420
fax: 171 242 0503
SGS International Certification Services
Meadows Office Complex
201 Route 17 North
Rutherford, NJ 07070,
USA
tel: 201 935 1500
fax: 201 935 4555
or
SGS International Certification Services
Corporate Office
SGS House
Portland Road,
East Grinstead,
West Sussex, RH19 4ET
United Kingdom
tel: 1342 410099
fax: 1342 305342
John Brookes
Sr. VP - Business Development, SGS ICS, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:44:15 -0500
From: Stan Carson
Subject: [none]
We have a printing customer with worldwide locations. They are currently
deciding on implementation of ISO 14001. Their primary reason for
consideration of ISO 14000 is their interest in improving their EMS. A
secondary issue is market-related--will governments (European, US or other)
require ISO 14001 to bid on projects? Any thoughts you may have to share on
this topic would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Stan Carson
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:30:59 -0500
From: teresa.iaquinta@usfla.mail.abb.com
Subject: ISO 14000 Process
Thanks to everyone who responded to my message concerning management commitment
and integration of ISO 9k and !4k. There is no illusion that this is an easy
process. We are making wonderful progress and utilising every source available
to us. This is a pro-active and challenging task. I am very positive that we
will be successful in achieving ISO 14001 certification before the end of 1998.
Thanks,
Teresa Iaquinta
teresa.iaquinta@usfla.mail.abb.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:27:29 +0000
From: Duncan Philips
Subject: facts and figures
Here in the UK we have a monthly environmental journal called ENDS. In
this months edition the following information was published;
Up to the end of October 1997, there have been 2134 companies certified
to ISO14001 worldwide. Of these, the following list shows the
distribution across the countries with a reasonable number
Ireland 26
Finland 27
Denmark 42
USA 55
Austria 60
Sweden 78
Switzerland 90
Taiwan 98
Korea 153
Holland 230
Germany 320
Japan 425
UK 440
I think the only thing that stands out is how poorly the USA is doing!
Any comments from anyone?
Duncan
- --
Duncan Philips
e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk
http://www.genesis2.demon.co.uk/index.html
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:22:54 -0500
From: jorser@niagara.com (J. Orser)
Subject: Re: facts and figures
>Here in the UK we have a monthly environmental journal called ENDS. In
>this months edition the following information was published;
>
>Up to the end of October 1997, there have been 2134 companies certified
>to ISO14001 worldwide. Of these, the following list shows the
>distribution across the countries with a reasonable number
>
>Ireland 26
>Finland 27
>Denmark 42
>USA 55
>Austria 60
>Sweden 78
>Switzerland 90
>Taiwan 98
>Korea 153
>Holland 230
>Germany 320
>Japan 425
>UK 440
>
>I think the only thing that stands out is how poorly the USA is doing!
>Any comments from anyone?
>Duncan Philips
>e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk
>http://www.genesis2.demon.co.uk/index.html
>
The fact that Canada is not listed is very concerning. Are we really that
far reemoved from the world? My contact with firms in this part of the
world confirms the apathy. I would like to be proven wrong in my
assessment, so please, firms interested in EMS and ISO 14000, don't hesitate
to call.
___________
John Orser, OHST, ROHT
*****Orser Environmental & Safety Inc.*****14000 International*****
195 King St., Suite 204, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2R 3J6
(905) 688-0500 Fax 688-4746, jorser@niagara.com, E&OE
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