iso14000-digest Tuesday, January 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 020
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 97 15:41:01 +0000
From: richard@frey.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: EMS software
Dear Fergus,
I don't think ISO 14001 software is worth even considering. When the
COSHH regulations (=chemical health and safety), all sorts of
indespensable software was offered, most of which has since disappeared.
My company spent a lot of money on such a package, but in the end I
replaced it all with a word processor. I suspect the same thing to be
true of ISO 14001.
Having implemented an EMS at several sites, I cannot for the life of me
think of any function which would need anything more than a word
processor.
As regards your environmental aspects, I suspect you are puting too much
effort into it if you feel you need a database. Bear in mind that the
only purpose of the aspects analysis is to identify the top five or six
(or whatever) aspects for your organisation. Yes, it is worth leaving an
audit trace so that the certifier can check the operation of your aspects
procedure, but other than that, I'd let it go. There is no point in
putting a lot of effort into finding data about the remainder,
particularly if they are 'down in the dirt'.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
Frey Environmental Associates Limited
Specialists in the design and implementation
of environmental management systems.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:12:33 -0500
From: Russ DeVilbiss
Subject: RE: EMS software
I believe the key words here are balance and needs.
Some can use information systems beyond the word processor without overkill. For example, if a company has a complex list of environmental aspects, evaluating aspects/impacts while considering business environment, costs, available technology, etc. may b
e added with the help of a database/spreadsheet. Another example is that a company that uses a variety of chemicals in different mixtures (e.g., printing company) may benefit from adding a database of product components to an existing accounting software
to track receipts, inventory, etc.
On the other hand, a second company might handle their EMS marvelously with a paper system. The point is, any management system is most effective when it fits into the culture/system capabilities. But you are right, it is easy for a company to get carri
ed away with a system to the point where is stops, coughs, and dies.
Russ DeVilbiss
ISO 14000/EMS Product Manager
ERAtech Environmental, Inc.
rdevilbiss@eratech.com
800.848.4990 x126
937.859.8998 x126
(f) 937.859.9132
- -----Original Message-----
From: richard@frey.demon.co.uk [SMTP:richard@frey.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 1997 10:41 AM
To: Fergus Charlton; ISO 14001 GROUP
Subject: Re: EMS software
Dear Fergus,
I don't think ISO 14001 software is worth even considering. When the
COSHH regulations (=chemical health and safety), all sorts of
indespensable software was offered, most of which has since disappeared.
My company spent a lot of money on such a package, but in the end I
replaced it all with a word processor. I suspect the same thing to be
true of ISO 14001.
Having implemented an EMS at several sites, I cannot for the life of me
think of any function which would need anything more than a word
processor.
As regards your environmental aspects, I suspect you are puting too much
effort into it if you feel you need a database. Bear in mind that the
only purpose of the aspects analysis is to identify the top five or six
(or whatever) aspects for your organisation. Yes, it is worth leaving an
audit trace so that the certifier can check the operation of your aspects
procedure, but other than that, I'd let it go. There is no point in
putting a lot of effort into finding data about the remainder,
particularly if they are 'down in the dirt'.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
Frey Environmental Associates Limited
Specialists in the design and implementation
of environmental management systems.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:35:01 -0500
From: HY BRAVERMAN
Subject: Re: EMS software
Lets look at another perspective:
Where does environmental data come from? There are instruments, there
are controllers that send and receive data. These data have sources and
destinations, and they need to be stored. As delegate on TC207 I get a
chance to see that the information component is slightly considered.
There is software that will compare data atgains a norm, some will use
more intelligence to adjust processes. Software is necessary for the
engineering department to re-design an product and the process to make
it. There is MRP or enterprise wide systems that collect manufacturing
and inventory data that will help refine ISO14000 goals and objectives.
There is an entire architecture built upon the Environmental Management
Information System or EnviroInformatics. The new movement is to
Environmental Enterprise Resource Planning (EERP).
Once you define the requirements of the task, you need to define the
information system, then you need to inventory your information assets,
and go on to develop an information systems plan. Then when you
identified what you have and what you need, you go out and get it.
(This is all done with the MIS or IT groups involvement.) Then you
measure the results, and share them with the organization. and then
they the organization tells you whats working and whats not. Thats when
you fine tune the system to get what want. This is a constant feedback
loop where adjustsments are critical. And the Information System is a
key layer in the foundation for the success of an ISO14000 or EMS
implementation.
I design Environmental Management Information Systems. From the
receiving dock to shipping, from the mailroom to the board room,
environmental information is more critical now than ever.
Hy Braverman
Founder and Chief Idea Officer
BRAVERMAN GROUP
e-mail: braveman@ziplink.net
Russ DeVilbiss wrote:
>
> I believe the key words here are balance and needs.
>
> Some can use information systems beyond the word processor without overkill. For example, if a company has a complex list of environmental aspects, evaluating aspects/impacts while considering business environment, costs, available technology, etc. may
be added with the help of a database/spreadsheet. Another example is that a company that uses a variety of chemicals in different mixtures (e.g., printing company) may benefit from adding a database of product components to an existing accountin
>
> On the other hand, a second company might handle their EMS marvelously with a paper system. The point is, any management system is most effective when it fits into the culture/system capabilities. But you are right, it is easy for a company to get car
ried away with a system to the point where is stops, coughs, and dies.
>
> Russ DeVilbiss
> ISO 14000/EMS Product Manager
> ERAtech Environmental, Inc.
>
> rdevilbiss@eratech.com
>
> 800.848.4990 x126
> 937.859.8998 x126
> (f) 937.859.9132
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard@frey.demon.co.uk [SMTP:richard@frey.demon.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 1997 10:41 AM
> To: Fergus Charlton; ISO 14001 GROUP
> Subject: Re: EMS software
>
> Dear Fergus,
>
> I don't think ISO 14001 software is worth even considering. When the
> COSHH regulations (=chemical health and safety), all sorts of
> indespensable software was offered, most of which has since disappeared.
> My company spent a lot of money on such a package, but in the end I
> replaced it all with a word processor. I suspect the same thing to be
> true of ISO 14001.
>
> Having implemented an EMS at several sites, I cannot for the life of me
> think of any function which would need anything more than a word
> processor.
>
> As regards your environmental aspects, I suspect you are puting too much
> effort into it if you feel you need a database. Bear in mind that the
> only purpose of the aspects analysis is to identify the top five or six
> (or whatever) aspects for your organisation. Yes, it is worth leaving an
> audit trace so that the certifier can check the operation of your aspects
> procedure, but other than that, I'd let it go. There is no point in
> putting a lot of effort into finding data about the remainder,
> particularly if they are 'down in the dirt'.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Richard Frey
>
> Frey Environmental Associates Limited
> Specialists in the design and implementation
> of environmental management systems.
>
> http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:32:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [DECenviro ] (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:51:59 -0500 (EST)
From: DECenviro
Subject: ISO14000-Digest
To Whom it may concern,
Are the prior issues of this digest archived anywhere? I seem to have lost
#'s V2 #14-17. I subscribe to many list serves and my mailbox auto purges
sometimes before I get to read all...
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated that could help me recover this
info.
Thanks
D. Cobb
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:09:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from ["Guus Gabriëlse"] (fwd)
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:15:46 -0500 (EST)
From:
To:
Subject: iso14000 certification in small companies
Dear collegues,
As an environmental consultant I´m confronted every now and then with small
companies (< 20 employees) which are interested in implementing an EMS and
ultimately strive for certification through a third party certification
audit.
Since I´m of the opinion that iso14000 certification can be reached by any
organisation, I always start of with these small firms, provided that they
have a good motivation for implementation and certification of an iso14000
based EMS (such as PR, improvement of env. situation etc.).
I occasionally meet collegues who think that small companies are not able
to comply with ISO14000. These meetings would end up in discussions, at
the end of which they still think that iso14000 is only for bigger
companies. (It might be that I´m not too good in debate).
Anyway, I´d like to ask you what your opinion is on this matter. I´d like
to hear some solid arguments on why small companies would not be able to
comply to the standard.
I´d like to hear from those that agree with mine opinion as well (for
support in my debates).
Greetings and happy 1998
Guus Gabriëlse
senior consultant
Colsen Envrionmental Consultancy
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:12:03 +0100
From: "Jup van 't Veld"
Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [ =?iso-8859-1?Q?"Guus_Gabri=EBlse"?= ] (fwd)
Dear Guus,
I don't see any fundamental argument why small companies could not be
certified. Not only does the standard not exclude SME's in any way, there
are already several examples of ISO14k and EMAS registered, smaller companies.
Of course the costs of certification may be relatively high for SME's (even
though on the average they should take less time to audit). And the value
of a certificate for (internal and external) communication may be a bit
lower than in large firms. Thus the question wether they should _want_ to
be certified (which is not the same as wether they want to have an EMS) may
be answered differently.
Happy newyear to you too!
Jup van 't Veld
TU env.off.
Amsterdam (NL)
At 20:09 28-12-97 -0500, Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator) wrote:
[..]
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:15:46 -0500 (EST)
>From:
>To:
>Subject: iso14000 certification in small companies
>
>Dear collegues,
>
>As an environmental consultant I´m confronted every now and then with small
>companies (< 20 employees) which are interested in implementing an EMS and
>ultimately strive for certification through a third party certification
>audit.
>
>Since I´m of the opinion that iso14000 certification can be reached by any
>organisation, I always start of with these small firms, provided that they
>have a good motivation for implementation and certification of an iso14000
>based EMS (such as PR, improvement of env. situation etc.).
>
>I occasionally meet collegues who think that small companies are not able
>to comply with ISO14000. These meetings would end up in discussions, at
>the end of which they still think that iso14000 is only for bigger
>companies. (It might be that I´m not too good in debate).
>
>Anyway, I´d like to ask you what your opinion is on this matter. I´d like
>to hear some solid arguments on why small companies would not be able to
>comply to the standard.
>
>I´d like to hear from those that agree with mine opinion as well (for
>support in my debates).
>
>Greetings and happy 1998
>
>
>Guus Gabriëlse
>senior consultant
>
>Colsen Envrionmental Consultancy
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:24:02 +1000
From: Kay Meadows
Subject: ISO14001 & SMEs
Guus
I can give you an example of a very small org'n - only 10 employees. This
company took up ISO14001 for very altruistic reasons - they wanted to
improve and publicly demonstrate good environmental performance. The
company has achieved this end and has shown reduced waste costs, improved
workforce morale, a cleaner and healthier workplace - this has OH&S
spinoffs, good public relations spinoffs with publicity in a major
newspaper, good customer feedback, good relations with neighbours, and they
are hoping to influence others in their industry to follow their lead. The
business is a service business. The cost of certification is worth it to
them because the external accreditation acts as reinforcement for their
activities.
They think it's a big win.
Kay
Kay Meadows
Australia
Email: kmeadows@iaccess.com.au
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:54:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from ["Robert Clifford, Jr." ] (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:30:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
To: ISO14000-L
Subject: Re: ISO 14000 Certification in Samll Companies
Guus Gabrielse wrote:
>>I´d like to hear some solid arguments on why small companies would not be
able to
>>comply [sic] to the (ISO 14001) standard.
I believe small companies are actually better candidates, as opposed to
larger companies, for an EMS modeled after ISO 14001.
As we're becoming more aware, and as confirmed by the recent U.S.-Asia
Environmental Partnership survey report entitled "Global Environmental
Management: Candid Views of Fortune 500 Companies", most large global firms
have used their considerable resources to put customized EMS's in-place.
They generally regard 14001 as more or less a benchmark for their own
systems. On the other hand, ISO 14001, with its "shall do this" and "shall
do that", is a prescriptive approach that suits many small busineses with
limited, technical resources.
Certification / registration has certainly not proved to be dependent on
the size of an organisation. Here in the U.S., a one-person company was
among the first to achieve registration ! In fact, certification /
registration is more likely to distinguish a small company from a crowded
market than a global giant that is already flying banners like the CE mark,
ISO 9001/2, Responsible Care, etc.
The need for an EMS based in the TQM philosophy is still a decision that
both small business and global leaders need to make on their own terms -
and it's not for everyone. IMHO, however, small business is more likely to
decide in favor of an EMS since even incremental cost savings and/or
revenue increases, resulting from successful pollution prevention
initiatives or a reduction in regulatory exposure, would be magnified in
small business which hinges success on very tight margins.
Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
1103 Glenwood Blvd.
Schenectady NY 12308-2503
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:37:52 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: Cost savings resulting from implementation of ISO 14001
Greetings and a Happy New Year to you - may all your environmental
dreams come true.
I am trying urgently to establish some specific examples of cost-savings
(direct or indirect) or other major improvements which have resulted
from the implementation of an EMS according to ISO 14001, for a
conference paper I am writing. If anyone has such examples and would be
willing to share them with me, I would be most grateful.
With thanks and kind regards,
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager AESC, DTP 325 (DNV)
Tel: +47 67 57 8213
Fax: +47 67 57 9705
Email: sally.goodman@dnv.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:38:58 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: ISO 14001 & small companies
Guus Gabriëlse wrote "As an environmental consultant I´m confronted
every now and then with small
companies (< 20 employees) which are interested in implementing an EMS
and
ultimately strive for certification through a third party certification
audit.
Since I´m of the opinion that iso14000 certification can be reached by
any
organisation, I always start of with these small firms, provided that
they
have a good motivation for implementation and certification of an
iso14000
based EMS (such as PR, improvement of env. situation etc.).
I occasionally meet collegues who think that small companies are not
able
to comply with ISO14000. These meetings would end up in discussions, at
the end of which they still think that iso14000 is only for bigger
companies. (It might be that I´m not too good in debate).
Anyway, I´d like to ask you what your opinion is on this matter. I´d
like
to hear some solid arguments on why small companies would not be able to
comply to the standard.
I´d like to hear from those that agree with mine opinion as well (for
support in my debates)."
I support the view that small companies can benefit from implementation
of an EMS and certification to ISO 14001. DNV has certified some small
companies, the smallest having (to the best of my recollection) only 7
people (in the UK). Whilst reasons for getting certified may vary quite
widely, these companies could see clear benefits in terms of
competitiveness and cost-savings/increased profit. Other correspondants
to this debate have given many other good reasons why small companies
may chooes this option and I concur in particular with Robert Clifford's
comment that ISO 14001 certification is likely to distinguish a small
company from a crowded and increasingly competitive market.
I have spoken with other small companies which have been concerned that
the costs of certification will outweigh any savings. There is indeed a
danger that this could happen if the implementation is attempted without
careful thought and planning, especially in terms of limited resources
which can be a problem for the smaller organisation. Consideration
therefore needs to be given to the initial understanding of the Standard
and what it means for the company. The required competence may not be
present in a small company (unlike large organisations which often have
a dedicated Environmental Manager or Environmental department), so an
initial training course may be required, or the use of an appropriate
consultant for training and certain key elements of the implementation.
The small organisation should be especially wary of the "off the shelf"
EMS packages on offer, as a small organisation is much more likely to
require a "tailor-made" EMS which is designed to meet its particular
needs. When shopping around for certification bodies, it is important
for the small company to find one which takes into account the needs of
small businesses and uses an auditor who is open-minded enough to
understand the way in which the organisation has interpreted the
Standard, whilst at the same time ensuring that compliance with all its
requirements has been achieved.
Provided that a small company approaches this subject with adequate care
and, taking into account such items as those mentioned above, I can
think of no general reasons why ISO 14001 should not be as applicable to
a company with one person as to one with 10,000 people.
I hope this helps you in your debates.
With kind regards,
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager AESC, DTP 325 (DNV)
Tel: +47 67 57 8213
Fax: +47 67 57 9705
Email: sally.goodman@dnv.com
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:04:54 -0500
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
Subject: EMS Manual Template ?
Anyone aware of a template for an EMS Manual ?
Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
1103 Glenwood Blvd.
Schenectady NY 12308-2503
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:08:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: re: List messages
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:38:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [perry davies ] (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:03:48 -0500 (EST)
To: iso14000@quality.org
From: perry davies
Subject: Shipping and ISO 14000
Has anyone any information on Ships or Shipping Companies and EMS or at
best ISO 14000 certification?
Perry Davies
Environmental Management Consultant
Balance of Nature
P.O.Box 3360
Karmei Yosef
ISRAEL 99797
Tel:+972-8-9286-156
Fax:+972-8-9287-472
Mobile: 050 458-405
Email:perry@netvision.net.il
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:32:37 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: RE: EMS Manual Template ?
>>Anyone aware of a template for an EMS Manual ?<<
Hello again, Robert,
I am sure there must be some such templates in existence, although I
have not come across them. There are a number of good publications
regarding EMS and ISO 14001, of which you are probably aware, such as
"The ISO 14000 Handbook" edited by Joe Cascio, details from +1 800 745
5565 (CEEM Inc, 10521 Braddock Road, Fairfax, VA 22032, USA) which may
have something you could use.
You could also try contacting the Environmental Technology Best Practice
Programme in the UK, as they have many (free) publications some of which
have relevant information (such as GG43, "Environmental Management
Systems in Foundries"). The helpline is +44 800 585794. If you have
any problems contacting them, send me a message and I will try for you.
The Institute of Environmental Management in the UK have also produced a
number of useful and relevant publications and I'm sure they would send
you back copies. Their website is http://www.iem.org.uk , email
info@iem.org.uk , tel: +44 131 558 8810, fax: +44 131 558 8820.
Not knowing the reason for your request, the following comment may not
be relevant to you, but I feel it is worth making for the benefit of
the wider audience. There is a danger in using templates for EMS
manuals, as each organisation has a different structure, culture and
environmental aspects and the best EMS is one which is tailored to the
organisation, taking into account its particular needs. In the course
of my ISO 14001 auditing, I have seen many examples of EMS manuals,
produced by very different means. The most successful have been those
produced by someone who knows the organisation well (Environmental
Manager, or consultant who has really "got under the skin" of the
organisation). From both the user's and auditor's point of view, a good
manual is one which acts as "signposting" document, cross-correlated
with the elements of ISO 14001 and describing their interaction in the
context of the implementing organisation. The type of manual which
simply repeats each clause of the Standard is next to useless!
I'll get off my hobby horse now, but if you would like to discuss
anything further, please email me direct.
Happy hunting!
With kind regards,
Sally
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager AESC, DTP 325 (DNV)
Tel: +47 67 57 8213
Fax: +47 67 57 9705
Email: sally.goodman@dnv.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:54:16 -0500
From: Connie Glover Ritzert
Subject: Templates
Thanks to Sally Goodman for responding to Robert Clifford's query regarding EMS manual templates. Her response was exactly what I intended to say, but much more gentle in tone, so it is fortunate that she was so quick.
A template for an EMS manual is a crutch you should not need and one which can impede rather than assist progress. ISO 14001 provides a framework, so you have a starting point. The design of the EMS, and any resulting documentation such as a "manual", s
hould meet the needs of the specific organization - not just parrot the standard or someone else's generic language. That being said, we can all benefit from each others experience. Seeking examples of effective EMS manuals might be a more productive qu
est than looking for templates.
Connie Glover Ritzert critzert@fyi.net
Principal, Meredith-EMC
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:52:39 -0500
From: "flahive"
Subject: Re: EMS Manual Template ?
For those who need a base to build from, there is the book and disk
combination titled "ISO 14001 Certification
- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Clifford, Jr.
To: ISO14000-L
Date: 07 January 1998 19:14
Subject: EMS Manual Template ?
>Anyone aware of a template for an EMS Manual ?
>
>Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
>ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
>1103 Glenwood Blvd.
>Schenectady NY 12308-2503
>518-393-3392
>clifford@quality.org
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:05:38 -0500
From: "flahive"
Subject: Fw: EMS Manual Template ?
Sorry about that. I got cut off.
For those who need a base to build from, there is the book and disk
combination titled "ISO 14001 Certification Environmental
Management Systems," by W. Lee Kuhre, Publisher Prentice Hall,
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458, ISBN # 0-13-199407-7.
- -----Original Message-----
From: flahive
To: Robert Clifford, Jr. ; ISO14000-L
Date: 08 January 1998 15:52
Subject: Re: EMS Manual Template ?
>For those who need a base to build from, there is the book and disk
>combination titled "ISO 14001 Certification
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Clifford, Jr.
>To: ISO14000-L
>Date: 07 January 1998 19:14
>Subject: EMS Manual Template ?
>
>
>>Anyone aware of a template for an EMS Manual ?
>>
>>Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
>>ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
>>1103 Glenwood Blvd.
>>Schenectady NY 12308-2503
>>518-393-3392
>>clifford@quality.org
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:26:01 -0500
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
Subject: Re: EMS Templates
Thanks to Ms. Goodman and Ms. Glover-Ritzert for their cautions regarding
the use of templates for an EMS manual. While I didn't include it in my
original post, in my assessment I'm well aware of the problems (garbage in
- - garbage out) that can arise with software, especially the risk that my
clients will spend so much time hunkering over their PC trying to get the
damn thing to work that they'll forget what they're trying to accomplish in
the first place.
I try to keep in mind a marvelous take-off written by Ian Frazier for the
New Yorker magazine entitled "Turbo Tome", a mock advertisement for
software that prompted the user for a first and last sentance, name of a
hero, and a few questions about style and length, then would go on to write
a Pulitzer-winning Great American Novel !! Absurd, but right on the point
about how software developers can overdo it !
With all that in mind, EMS software that gives users a head start in manual
preparation and first/second level documentation is still a real need,
partiularly among the small business clients that I focus on. These
organizations lack the resources (you can read that as sophistication, if
you like) to grasp the quality management philosophy at first try. In
fact, they're not that interested in chanting the quality mantra anyway --
they want tools, tools to help them better manage their business /
environment and improve their profitability. So that's what we give them
- -- tools, be it templates, software, process maps, etc. And the
prescriptive "shall do this and shall do that" of ISO 14001, Sect. 4, is
yet another tool that tells them exactly what to do (and doesn't worry the
"why" so much). Once they use these tools to get the basic system in
place, and grow to understand how it works, they can really start to mold
it to fit their operation.
I agree that the best EMS is one that is tailored to the organization, like
a custom-made suit. Unfortunately, those of us with limited resources
(like consultants and small businesses) have to first buy "off-the-rack" --
then take it in for alterations.
Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
1103 Glenwood Blvd.
Schenectady NY 12308-2503
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:07:34 -0600
From: "Matthew G. Livingood"
Subject: EMS Manual Template
While I concur with the caution expressed by others about the use of
templates or "go bys" (a practice all too common in the legal
profession), I am aware of a publication:
"A Guide to the Implementation of the ISO 14000 Series on Environmental
Management"
written by Ingrid Ritchie, Ph.D., and William Hayes, C.I.H.; published
by Prentice Hall; copyright 1998
The book contains a diskette of forms which includes both an EMS
Planning Questionnaire and and EMS Implementation Questionnaire as well
as an example Environmental Management Policy Manual.
The book (and other ISO 14000 publications) are available for purchase
through http://www.amazon.com.
I do not vouch for the material. I am not affiliated in any way with
the authors or amazon.com and offer the information solely in response
to the questions posed.
- --
Matthew G. Livingood
4444 East 66th Street, Ste 200
Tulsa, OK 74136-4206
phone:918.488.9020 fax:918.488.0692
cell:918.636.0872 page:800.405.4676
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:14:49 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: Message for Stan Rodgers, AVTEQ Consulting Services
Stan - I have tried twice to reply to your message of 9 January, but the
system keeps telling me it cannot deliver.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to confirm your email address to me.
Regards,
Sally
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager AESC, DTP 325 (DNV)
Tel: +47 67 57 8213
Fax: +47 67 57 9705
Email: sally.goodman@dnv.com
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 07:19:54 -0500
From: Stan Carson
Subject: Re: EMS Manual Template ?
Try this web site.
http://www.nortel.com/cool/environ/habitat.html
At 07:04 PM 07/01/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyone aware of a template for an EMS Manual ?
>
>Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
>ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
>1103 Glenwood Blvd.
>Schenectady NY 12308-2503
>518-393-3392
>clifford@quality.org
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:55:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Poster Session Opportunity (fwd)
NOTE: If you're interested in presenting at this conference, contact Ms.
Baldi at her email address below.
Thanks.
- ---------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:25:59 -0500
From: Diana Baldi
Subject: Poster Session Opportunity
There is an opportunity to share learnings and benefits of ISO 14001
implementation as well as integration of 14001 with existing managment
systems such as 9001 or QS9000. The opportunity is at the ASQ Energy &
Environment Confernce in Las Vegas, US in March 2-4, 1998.
The focus of the conference is integration of quality and environmental
management systems. The cost of registration for the conference is $495
(or $235/day) for ASQ members ($545/$260 non-member and $185/$110 student
rate) IF received by 2/2. After that the rates increase a bit. This is a
good forum for exchange of ideas and the poster is a way to spark lively
interaction. If you are interested, please contact me and include the
subject you are prepared to present. The time for the conference is
approaching quickly, so details need to be finalized before 1/30.
Diana Baldi
baldifamily@compuserve.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:11:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from ["Puetz, Martin J" ] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
the posting, but definitely NOT to me.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:06:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Puetz, Martin J"
To: "'ISO14000@quality.org'"
Subject: Cost Benefits of Implementing ISO 14001?
I work for a large defense contractor (approximately 11,000 employees)
where we build fighter aircraft for numerous U.S. and foreign customers.
We are ISO 9001 registered and are currently evaluating the possibility of
obtaining ISO 14001 registration by September, 1998. As we prepare
implementation proposals to be presented to our executive management, the
most common question we encounter is, "How much money will it cost and how
much money can we save if we obtain ISO 14001 registration?" We know
that's a tough question to answer, however, we'd like to know if anyone
may have or know where we can obtain quantifiable cost benefit information
- - even if the information is only a calculated guess. We would appreciate
any information you may have.
Thank you,
MJPuetz@lmtas.lmco.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:13:04 -0400 (GMT-0400)
From: Jose Bernardo Duran
Subject: Re: Non-member submission from ["Puetz, Martin J" ] (fwd)
How much money we will pay to obtain ISO 14001?
How much money we will save after Iso 14001 implementation?
The answer of these questions depend of the level of our EMS, Environment
impacts, waste levels, training requirements, etc.
One initial review could you get information about savings based in
eliminating wastings, eficiency improvements, energy savings, etc.
ISO 14001 does not include an initial review, but many it is an
interesting way to evaluate the needings and the resources
for ISO 14001 implementation.
____________________________________________________________________________
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Maintenance Engineering
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Address:
Av. 2 No. 36-2 Edf. Tintoreria Maracai
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____________________________________________________________________________
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator) wrote:
>
>
> NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
> "Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, OR as directed in
> the posting, but definitely NOT to me.
>
>
> Thank you for your cooperation.
> Bill
>
> =============================================================================
> Bill Casti, CQA Email: help@quality.org
> Domain Owner, QUALITY.ORG Pager: +1 800 604 6149
> =============================================================================
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:06:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Puetz, Martin J"
> To: "'ISO14000@quality.org'"
> Subject: Cost Benefits of Implementing ISO 14001?
>
> I work for a large defense contractor (approximately 11,000 employees)
> where we build fighter aircraft for numerous U.S. and foreign customers.
> We are ISO 9001 registered and are currently evaluating the possibility of
> obtaining ISO 14001 registration by September, 1998. As we prepare
> implementation proposals to be presented to our executive management, the
> most common question we encounter is, "How much money will it cost and how
> much money can we save if we obtain ISO 14001 registration?" We know
> that's a tough question to answer, however, we'd like to know if anyone
> may have or know where we can obtain quantifiable cost benefit information
> - even if the information is only a calculated guess. We would appreciate
> any information you may have.
>
> Thank you,
>
> MJPuetz@lmtas.lmco.com
>
>
>
>
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