iso14000-digest Thursday, February 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 027
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:51:20 -0800
From: Arthur_V_Ingle@rl.gov
Subject: Re: Environment and Safety
Your comments are interesting and inspiring. I would greatly appreciate a
copy of the ISMS!
Thank- you,
Catherine
Arthur_V_Ingle@RL.gov on 02/12/98 01:13:31 PM
To: Catherine Duchock/Facilities/Siemens_Stromberg-Carlson/US
cc:
Subject: Re: Environment and Safety
Catherine,
The Department of Energy's (DOE) Richland Operation Office, located in
Richland, Washington, has developed an Integrated Safety Management
System (ISMS) which integrates environment, safety, and health (ESS&H)
requirements into the sites work planning and execution process. The
Richland office is responsible for cleaning up the radioactive and
non-radioactive wastes and contamination at the DOE's Hanford site in
the south/central part of Washington state. It employees
approximately 500 federal workers and 13,000 contractors and has
current annual budget of around $1.2 billion. Hanford produced much of
the plutonium used in this countries nuclear weapons programs over the
last 50 years. Production was shut down in the late 1980's and Hanford
is now the biggest environmental clean-up site in the country.
As you might imagine, most of the safety and evnvironmental concerns
here are nuclear in nature (radioactive wastes). Nonetheless, the
ISMS incorporates the principles of ISO 14001 as well as those of the
Voluntary Protection Program (VPP) and the Responsible Care initiative
of the Chemical Manufacturer's Association.
The Core Functions of the ISMS look alot like ISO 14001:
1. Establish ES&H Policy
2. Define the Scope of Work
3. Identify and Analyze Hazards, Environmental Impacts and ES&H
Requirements
4. Perform Work Within Controls
5. Provide Feedback and Continuous Improvement
6. Management Review
The prime contractors at Hanford will not be seeking ISO 14000
certification at this time, but will be following ISO 14000 principles
in their work planning and processes. The contract of the
"integrating contractor" (Fluor Daniels) includes an incentive to do
so.
If you (or anyone else) would like an electronic version of the ISMS,
I can forward it to you.
Art Ingle
Office of Environment, Safety and Health
Richland Operations Office
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Subject: Environment and Safety
Author: Catherine.Duchock@stn.siemens.com at ~EXCHANGE
Date: 2/11/98 2:02 PM
I am interested in feedback on combining Health and Safety issues into the
Environmental Management System - ISO 14000. Has this been done? EH&S
seem to go hand in hand in many instances. It seems to make sense so as
not to re-invent programs that could satisfy both Environmental and Safety
Regulations. Is there some reason NOT to incorporate my Health and Safety
programs under the ISO format?
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:11:12 -0500
From: Michael Snider
Subject: re: Environment & Safety, ISMS
Arthur's e-mail may have left the list members with the impression that ISMS was developed at Hanford. In fact, it is a DOE initiative that all DOE contractors are required to implement [including the one I work for at West Valley]. Implementation docum
ents from any of the DOE contractors will provide you with a site specific example of the system. In addition, the original directives and guidance documents are available on the web at http://www.explorer.doe.gov:1776/htmls/alldirectives.html
Click New Series Directives, Series 400 Work Processes
Integrated Safety Management are DOE G 450.4-1 Vol 1 & 2.
While the system is basically sound, realize that it was developed for the rather complex DOE world, which has a host of internal requirements not applicable in other industries.
Arthur_V_Ingle@RL.gov on 02/12/98 01:13:31 PM
To: Catherine Duchock/Facilities/Siemens_Stromberg-Carlson/US
cc:
Subject: Re: Environment and Safety
Catherine,
The Department of Energy's (DOE) Richland Operation Office, located in
Richland, Washington, has developed an Integrated Safety Management
System (ISMS) which integrates environment, safety, and health (ESS&H)
requirements into the sites work planning and execution process....
Michael Snider
e-mail: sniderm@wv.doe.gov
Tel: 716-942-2024
Fax: 716-942-2000
West Valley Nuclear Services
MS-AOC-16
10282 Rock Springs Road
West Valley, NY 14171-0191
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:12:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [dpr@aber.ac.uk (David Russell)] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond to the list, not to me. --Bill
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:10:35 -0500 (EST)
To: iso14000@cyberq.quality.org
From: dpr@aber.ac.uk (David Russell)
Subject: retail environmental management
Dear all,
I am currently undertaking research into environmental issues and management
in the retail sector, and was wondering if anyone knew of any web sites
which covered the subjects.
All the best,
Dave Russell
*****************************
D.P. Russell
EIA Unit
Institute of Biological Sciences
University of Wales, Aberystwyth
Ceredigion, Wales
United Kingdom
SY23 3DA
http://www.aber.ac.uk/~eiawww/
Tel. + 44 (0) 1970 621877
Fax.+ 44 (0) 1970 622307
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:25:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from ["Zoran Stanic" ] (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:28:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Zoran Stanic"
To:
Subject: Re: iso14000-digest V2 #26
Hello everybody,
I am quite fresh user of the list and I found it as extremely interesting and good source of information.
To start with a question and I beleive it will not be difficult for someone more experienced to point me into the right direction.
I am preparing an article about the relevance of EMS (according to international standards ISO14000 and EMAS) for nuclear power industry, for the following international conference in Dubrovnik (Croatia) in June this year. So, I would appreciate it very m
uch if someone could indicate some good sources of information about the topics (some recent surveys about the certified nuclear facilities or so...).
Thanks a lot.
Zoran Stanic
Hrvatska Elektroprivreda d.d.
Development Department
Ul. grada Vukovara 37
Croatia
Phone:+385 1 6125857/6170456
Fax:+385 1 6125923/6170478
E-mail:zoran.stanic@hep.tel.hr
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 08:22:54 +0100
From: Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
Subject: ISO 14000 retail sector
NOTE: Respond to the list, not to me. --Bill
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:10:35 -0500 (EST)
To: iso14000@cyberq.quality.org
From: dpr@aber.ac.uk (David Russell)
Subject: retail environmental management
Dear all,
I am currently undertaking research into environmental issues and management
in the retail sector, and was wondering if anyone knew of any web sites
which covered the subjects.
All the best,
Dave Russell
*****************************
D.P. Russell
EIA Unit
Institute of Biological Sciences
University of Wales, Aberystwyth
Ceredigion, Wales
United Kingdom
SY23 3DA
http://www.aber.ac.uk/~eiawww/
Tel. + 44 (0) 1970 621877
Fax.+ 44 (0) 1970 622307
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:09:14 +0100
From: Thomas Vogele
Subject: ISO 14000 Text
Hello,
does anybody know where I can obtain the ISO 14000 standard in
electronic format ?
Thank you very much.
Thomas Vogele
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:16:04 EST
From: VGISO14000@aol.com
Subject: Re: ISO 14000 Text
Sorry pal, the ISO Standards are copyrighted.
There was the draft version on the Pennsylvania Department of Energy Home
page, but they got in trouble because of that.
You might want to ask your local Standards body (e.g. DIN in Germany), if they
have one for sale in electronic format, but I doubt it.
Rainer Ochsenkuehn
President
Environmental Management Systems, Inc.
A division of THE VICTORIA GROUP, Inc.
USA
212.957.4166 t
212.957.1114 f
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:29:05 -0300
From: peirano&brambilla
Subject: new free environmental newsletter
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:50:03 -0500
From: "Neil G. Vander Linden"
Subject: ISO 14000 Text -Reply
With regard to your query concerning the availability of electronic
versions of the standards, they can be found at:
http://web.ansi.org/public/std_info.html
Neil Vander Linden
ngvande@westvaco.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:34:31 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: BS 8800
BS 8800: 1996 is a British Standard entitled "Guide to Occupational
Health & Safety Management Systems". At present, it is not an auditable
standard, but is intended as a guide for companies wishing to implement
an OHS management system. Some certification bodies/registrars
(including ourselves), believing that there is a market for OHSMS
certification, have developed their own interpretation of this British
Standard which is auditable and, hence, certifiable.
It may be this situation to which you are referring. It might,
therefore, be difficult to obtain information on numbers of companies
certified to BS 8800, as strictly speaking such certification should not
be available, but there will be certifications to the various
interpretations of the Standard which may come under other names.
Copies of BS 8800 may be obtained from the British Standards Institution
(BSI), Tel. +44 181 996 7000, Fax. +44 181 996 7001. Copies of the
various auditable interpretations may be obtained from the relevant
certification bodies upon application.
With kind regards,
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager AESC, DTP 325 Section for Certification (Det Norske
Veritas)
Tel: +47 67 57 8213
Fax: +47 67 57 9705
Email: sally.goodman@dnv.com
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 06:50:10 -0500 (EST)
>From: Arthur Costa de Souza
>Organization: ArtSim
>To: iso14000@quality.org
>Subject: iso14000/bs8800
>
>Dear Sir,
>
>
>I'm a journalist in Brazil and for four years I have been interviewing
>companies certified by ISO 9000 standards.
>However, now I have to interview one company that has just been
>certified by BS 8800 and I cannot find anyting about this standard to
>help me.
>I'd be grateful if you could send me any information on BS 8800.
>I take this oportunity to ask you to send me the number of certified
>companies by ISO 14000 and BS 8800 all over the world.
>I look forward to reading from you.
>My e-mail is: artsim@uol.com.br
>I thank you very much for your help.
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Simone Martins Souza
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:07:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Kara Whitehead ] (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:19:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Kara Whitehead
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
Does anyone have information regarding why ISO 14000 would be
specifcally important to suppliers in the automotive industry?
Also, what are the features and specific benefits of self certification vs.
third party certification?
Finally, I've seen information regarding potential benefits of ISO 14000
being lower insurance rates and better relationships with regulators.
Does anyone have any examples of this that they have seen?
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Kara Whitehaed
whitehkl@obg.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:10:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from ["Wilson, Heather" ] (fwd)
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"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, NOT to me.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:33:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Wilson, Heather"
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: iso14000-digest V2 #24
Ontario Hydro's Darling Nuclear Plant is certified; see
URL: http://www.hydro.on.ca/OHWebSite/mar0497.htm
Summary: Clarington, Ont -- Ontario Hydros Darlington Nuclear Generating
Station is the first
generating station in the world to receive the coveted International
Organization for Standardization
(ISO) 14001 Standard for Environmental Management Systems. The
environmental management
system includes the policies, procedures and plans designed to improve
environmental performance...
Heather M. Wilson - BC Hydro
Sr. Environmental Coordinator
Power Supply Environmental Services
(604) 528 2285
local 72285
heather.wilson@bchydro.bc.ca
IS014KX2K4PS!
If at first you succeed...try something harder!
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 02:22:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "Zoran Stanic"
To:
Subject: Re: iso14000-digest V2 #24
Hello everybody,
I am quite fresh user of the list and I found it as extremely
interesting
and good source of information. To start with a question and I beleive
it
will not be difficult for someone more experienced to point me into the
right direction. I am preparing an article about the relevance of EMS
(according to international standards ISO14000 and EMAS) for nuclear
power
industry, for the following international conference in Dubrovnik
(Croatia) in June this year. So, I would appreciate it very much if
someone could indicate some good sources of information about the topics
(some recent surveys about the certified nuclear facilities or so...).
Thanks a lot.
Zoran Stanic
Hrvatska Elektroprivreda d.d.
Development Department
Ul. grada Vukovara 37
Phone:+385 1 6125857/6170456
Fax:+385 1 6125923/6170478
E-mail:zoran.stanic@hep.tel.hr
Heather M. Wilson
Sr. Environmental Coordinator
Power Supply Environmental Services
(604) 528 2285
local 72285
heather.wilson@bchydro.bc.ca
IS014KX2K4PS!
If at first you succeed...try something harder!
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:20:48 -0800
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
I do not have information about why ISO 14000 would be specifically
important to automotive industry suppliers but can provide a little
information regarding your other questions.
I heard an insurance industry representative speak about ISO 14000 at the
AWMA conference last June. He said that while there is a belief that
insurers charge lower rates for companies implementing ISO 14000, the
current industry practice is not to reduce premiums because of ISO 14000.
With regard to agencies, the implementation of ISO 14000 will normally be a
factor in enhancing relationships but the evidence to date suggests that
the benefit is of a general nature. Although a few regulatory programs
have discussed the availability of reduced regulatory requirements for
companies that impement measures such as ISO 14000, specific relief seems
hard to come by.
At 01:07 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Kara Whitehead wrote:
>
>Does anyone have information regarding why ISO 14000 would be
>specifcally important to suppliers in the automotive industry?
>
>Also, what are the features and specific benefits of self certification vs.
>third party certification?
>
>Finally, I've seen information regarding potential benefits of ISO 14000
>being lower insurance rates and better relationships with regulators.
>Does anyone have any examples of this that they have seen?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Sincerely,
>Kara Whitehaed
>whitehkl@obg.com
>
>
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law:
Mediation:
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:53:23 -0700
From: "Egan, Pam"
Subject: RE: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
It is not the intent of ISO 14000 to provide any registered organization
with regulatory relief. The Standard actually provides the framework to
bring an organization above and beyond compliance. Relief may be felt
from getting a handle on compliance issues/requirements and improving
one's compliance program, which may in turn improve relations w/
regulators.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:44:36 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: Relationships with regulators, etc.
Dear Kara,
To take your questions in the order of asking:
1) Transport is one of the largest source of most airborne pollutants,
as well as being one of the major benefits to society. The automotive
industry has, therefore, for a long time now taken a leading role in
quality and environmental issues. Look at QS9000, developed by the "Big
Three" for example.
The problems that the multinationals are facing today soon become passed
down the supply chain to suppliers. For example, plastic recycling can
only be effective if components are clearly labelled and the variety of
plastic used is reduced as much as possible. Packaging problems can
only be effectively tackled if everybody in the supply chain is
involved.
More direct pressures are starting to come from the big multinationals.
Volvo is encouraging all its 850 range suppliers to adopt ISO 14001, as
the Rover Group in the UK are doing with their 500 suppliers.
2) Benefits of third party certification:
Increasing resource to standardisation implies that the relationship
between suppliers and consumers is characterised by a certain level of
trust in the quality of the product or service. This trust, amongst
other things, can be based on certification, which assesses the
conformity of the goods, the service or the organisation to specific
Standards.
It is no longer enough simply to have resources. Using resources
productively is what makes for competitiveness today. How an industry
responds to the environmental challenge may in future be a leading
indicator of its overall competitiveness. Certification to ISO 14001
could be a key factor.
Certainly, certification involves expenditure during the implementation
phase, due to new procedures, testing, inspection and auditing. But
there are acknowledged benefits which arise from the value added when
both purchaser and legislator have a higher degree of assurance that the
organisation's activities meet the requirements of ISO 14001. It is
just as true that well-managed organisations invest in certification as
they invest in, for example, computer equipment.
Compliance with ISO 14001 will, increasingly, become a selling point
providing a competitive edge for organisations that sell goods or
services on the global market. Customers involved in international
transactions, banks and insurers are increasingly demanding recognised
Environmental Management System (EMS) certification, such as ISO 14001,
as proof of the environmental credentials of an organisation, in terms
of continual improvement in environmental issues. Some organisations
are working with their suppliers on a gradual basis to encourage them to
implement an EMS. Some have gone further in requiring that all their
suppliers become certified to ISO 14001 within defined timescales.
New suppliers may benefit from having had the foresight to achieve
certification to ISO 14001. It can be an excellent and internationally
recognised means of demonstrating environmental credibility (hence lower
risk to the customer), thus avoiding the possibility of the customer
spending time and resources to investigate the supplier's environmental
credentials themselves.
Self declaration/certification doesn't have the element of independence
associated with it, therefore may not give adequate confidence in the
claim of meeting the requirements of the Standard.
3)
Legislators (particularly in the UK and USA) are still assessing the
value of certification in reducing their involvement in monitoring
certain industries. It is fair to assume that, if an organisation has
an EMS that is subject to a recognised accredited certification, its
legal liabilities should be less than an organisation which has no
recognised formal environmental management in place. The regulatory
authorities should thus have more confidence that this organisation will
continue to maintain legal compliance and, in the event of a breach of
legislation, will take appropriate and timely action. It is rumoured
strongly that this may result in decreased numbers of surveillance
visits by regulatory authorities to ISO 14001-certified organisations,
in the future, although no evidence of this has yet been seen in these
countries.
However, I have just returned from an ISO 14000 conference in Dubai, at
which I learned that the Municipality of Dubai is not only making it
mandatory for large industry to be certified to ISO 14001, but also will
be removing the requirement for ISO 14001-certified companies to have
formal permits/licenses and will be reducing surveillance fees from the
regulatory authorities accordingly. Interesting development.
Hope this helps,
With kind regards,
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager Accredited Environmental Systems Certification
DTP 325 Section for Certification (Det Norske Veritas)
Tel: +47 67 57 8213
Fax: +47 67 57 9705
Email: sally.goodman@dnv.com
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:19:55 -0500 (EST)
>From: Kara Whitehead
>To: iso14000@quality.org
>Subject: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
>
>Does anyone have information regarding why ISO 14000 would be
>specifcally important to suppliers in the automotive industry?
>
>Also, what are the features and specific benefits of self certification vs.
>third party certification?
>
>Finally, I've seen information regarding potential benefits of ISO 14000
>being lower insurance rates and better relationships with regulators.
>Does anyone have any examples of this that they have seen?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Sincerely,
>Kara Whitehaed
>whitehkl@obg.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:40:10 -0500
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers
As to the last of Ms. Whitehead's questions:
>Finally, I've seen information regarding potential benefits of ISO 14000
>being lower insurance rates and better relationships with regulators.
>Does anyone have any examples of this that they have seen?
I'd like to add that I've seen plenty of examples of companies garnering
better insurance premiums and cooperative arrangements with regulators, but
they have little to do with ISO 14001. They have to do with companies
that, since the 1980's and maybe even earlier, have realized environmental
performance impacts business success, have taken proactive steps to create
a system that helps them better manage their environmental performance, and
have aggressively sought recognition of that system as a basis for gaining
a preferred position with those who could impact their profitability --
like insurance underwriters and regulators. ISO 14001 is no more than a
blueprint for such a system; however, it is carefully detailed,
internationally-recognized, and has created a wealth of print, Internet,
and professional resources for companies seeking to use it. Basically, ISO
14001 has "codified" a good idea (systematic environmental management)
that's been in existence for longer than many realize.
Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
1103 Glenwood Blvd.
Schenectady NY 12308-2503
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:59:51 +0800
From: Benny
Subject: Any ISO14000 certificated company list ?
Do anyone know any ISO 14000 certificated company list in the net?
I think one of the supports to implement ISO14000 is the
number of ISO 14000 companies. This figure can help my company
to make this decision.
Benny Lam
Hong Kong
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:13:27 -0600
From: Phil Rooney
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
Egan, Pam wrote:
>
> It is not the intent of ISO 14000 to provide any registered organization
> with regulatory relief. The Standard actually provides the framework to
> bring an organization above and beyond compliance. Relief may be felt
> from getting a handle on compliance issues/requirements and improving
> one's compliance program, which may in turn improve relations w/
> regulators.
By going beyond compliance, relief may come from reducing or eliminating
wastes and emissions so that an organization will not incur a fine, may
qualify for a less costly disposal or operating permit, and, in some
cases, might not need to obtain ANY permit because there is nothing to
permit.
To use an analogy: If you drive, you are required to obey traffic laws
but if you don't speed you won't get a ticket and pay a fine. If you
don't have a car, you don't have to worry about the traffic laws and you
don't have to pay for a license plate or insurance.
Phil Rooney
LLCHD
3140 "N" Street
Lincoln, NE 68510
Phone: (402) 441-8644
Fax: (402) 441-8323
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:28:48 -0500
From: Diana Baldi
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers
I agree with your points. Lower insurance rates go to those with lower
risks. Several representatives from different insurance companies have
attended EMS courses I've taught. They want to know how 14001 supports
lower risks so they can evaluate use of third party registration as a
criteria for lower rates.
Diana Baldi
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:07:33 -0800 (PST)
From: rpojasek@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
Industry has a problem going "beyond" the regulations. They feel that
regulatory control is expensive and that going beyond the regulations must be
more expensive. It is the same old argument that quality is too expensive. It
is instructive for companies to use process maps to depict their operations. On
these maps (i.e., using the maps as a template) you can show all the regulatory
control "trigger" points. These are the work steps that give rise to an aspect
that has a regulatory component - perhaps a significant aspect. Of course you
will see that some 20% of the work steps account for some 80% percent of the
significant aspects (thank you Pareto). The prevention of pollution looks at
what can be done to avoid the aspects. How can the work step be changed is such
a manner so it does not "trigger" that regulation? Removing the need for
regulatory control and saving money is what the prevention of pollution is all
about. Sure some companies will continue to place end-of-pipe control systems
on the work steps. This is very expensive and perhaps puts them under new
regulatory controls. There are also different aspects (i.e., remove
particulates from an air stream and put them in a landfill). Having a process
with no particulates is a goal, just like in a zero defect (six sigma) quality
program. It does seem that there are relationships between ISO 9000 and ISO
14000 after all. Phil's analogies were fine. But we have to kill the phrase
"going beyond the regulations".
Robert B. Pojasek, Ph.D.
Pojasek & Associates
P.O. Box 1333
E. Arlington, MA 02174-2422
rpojasek@sprynet.com
(781) 641-2422 Phone/FAx
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:51:36 -0500
From: Michael Snider
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
On 02/25, Robert B. Pojasek wrote "... But we have to kill the phrase 'going beyond the regulations'".
I emphatically agree. I think all of us who work with/in government are aware at some level of the fact that regulations rarely consider management issues. Organizing your company's environmental effort around the regulations is asking the government to
dictate how you run your business. Many companies initial efforts at achieving and maintaining a state of compliance are through brute force, and its that type of compliance program that places an undue burden on a company's resources.
Michael Snider
e-mail: sniderm@wv.doe.gov
Tel: 716-942-2024
Fax: 716-942-2000
West Valley Nuclear Services
MS-AOC-16
10282 Rock Springs Road
West Valley, NY 14171-0191
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:51:19 -0700
From: "Egan, Pam"
Subject: RE: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
> On 02/25, Robert B. Pojasek wrote:
> "Industry has a problem going "beyond" the regulations. They feel
> that regulatory control is expensive and that going beyond the
> regulations must be more expensive"......"But we have to kill the
> phrase 'going beyond the regulations'".
>
"beyond compliance" could be an activity as simple as making two-sided
copies in order to reduce the impact of massive paper consumption.
On 02/26, Michael Snider wrote:
"I emphatically agree. I think all of us who work with/in government
are aware at some level of the fact that regulations rarely consider
management issues. Organizing your company's environmental effort
around the regulations is asking the government to dictate how you run
your business. Many companies initial efforts at achieving and
maintaining a state of compliance are through brute force, and its that
type of compliance program that places an undue burden on a company's
resources".
Management wouldn't necessarily consider environmental issues if they
didn't have to. Implementation of an effective EMS would take the brute
force out of the compliance equation. Integration of the EMS into
business activities brings environmental issues to the forefront,
enabling an organization a certain degree of control over it's
environmental destiny rather than leaving it entirely to the regulators.
An organization can choose to redesign processes w/ regulatory impacts
to try to remove them, or accept the "environmental burden" associated
w/ it's activities. Ditto for integration of quality and H&S systems
into business activities.
Pamela Egan
pegan@wstf.nasa.gov
>
> !
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:13:10 -0700
From: Chris watson
Subject: Environmental Policy
I have recently had a number of requests for copies of Environmental Policy
(EP) statements produced by organizations that are currently
registered/certified to ISO 14001.
Are any listserve members aware of a relatively less time intensive method
to obtain these documents than requesting them directly from the organizations?
By way of explanation ............. I am sure we all recognize the potential
benefits (good examples of EPs that met the requirements, etc.) and pitfalls
(copying something that does not reflect your organizations specific intent
and needs, etc.) of modelling your EP statement on the current "accepted"
EPs. However, I believe, that organizations are looking for some guidance
on the overall structure and language of the EP statements since the
requirements for content are (relatively) well defined in Section 4.2 of ISO
14001.
Chris D. Watson P.Geol, CEA
Environmental Coordinator
Quality Certification Bureau Inc.
(403) 217-1610 (Phone)
(403) 217-1585 (Fax)
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:47:13
From: "Jup van 't Veld"
Subject: Re: Automotive Industry Suppliers & other questions
In the Netherlands there are in fact very clear examples of certification
influencing relationships with regulators. Since a few years it is official
policy that companies may receive an environmental license without detailed
regulations, and may be inspected less frequently and less intensely,
provided that they:
- - have a "company environmental plan" for several years, containing
ambitious goals for improving environmental performance: this should be
agreed upon by both parties (authorities and company), but it is a company
document
- - have an operational EMS that is suitable for implementing and monitoring
the various measures, and for periodically reporting on performance
figures: the company must inspire the regulators' confidence in the system.
Generally an EMAS or ISO 14001 certificate is seen as a powerful means of
communication on the EMS. A certificate in itself is not sufficient, nor is
it a precondition. However, in practice the companies that receive this new
approach are generally certified or in the process of being so.
Jup van 't Veld
TU-officer
Amsterdam (NL)
>At 01:07 PM 2/24/98 -0500, Kara Whitehead wrote:
>>[..]
>>Finally, I've seen information regarding potential benefits of ISO 14000
>>being lower insurance rates and better relationships with regulators.
>>Does anyone have any examples of this that they have seen?
[..]
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:20:54 -0500 (EST)
From: jorser@niagara.com (J. Orser)
Subject: Re: Environmental Policy
>I have recently had a number of requests for copies of Environmental Policy
>(EP) statements produced by organizations that are currently
>registered/certified to ISO 14001.
>
>Are any listserve members aware of a relatively less time intensive method
>to obtain these documents than requesting them directly from the organizations?
>
>By way of explanation ............. I am sure we all recognize the potential
>benefits (good examples of EPs that met the requirements, etc.) and pitfalls
>(copying something that does not reflect your organizations specific intent
>and needs, etc.) of modelling your EP statement on the current "accepted"
>EPs. However, I believe, that organizations are looking for some guidance
>on the overall structure and language of the EP statements since the
>requirements for content are (relatively) well defined in Section 4.2 of ISO
>14001.
>Chris D. Watson P.Geol, CEA
>Environmental Coordinator
>Quality Certification Bureau Inc.
I consider it very important for the management of a firm to sit down and
development their own unique policy statement, rather than copy from another
company. If the firm is serious about forming a meaningful EMS, some time
should be given to this important first step. However, if you are only
interested in having a "lipservice" EMS, a "book-shelf" EMS, then by all
means, copy away. Just one point, don't call me to help you out; I am not
interested.
___________
Business Address
Orser Environmental & Safety Inc.
195 King St., Suite 204, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2R 3J6
(905) 688-0500 Fax 688-4746, jorser@niagara.com, E&OE
Sent from residence.
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