iso14000-digest Tuesday, May 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 032
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:54:19 -0400
From: Reinaldo Ramirez
Subject: What to include in an EMS
Beth Graves wrote:
> I would like to pose the following question to the list.
> Facility A is a manufacturing operation. There is an on-site closed
> lagoon undergoing remediation.
> Must the remediation site be included in Facility A's EMS? Where may
> a facility draw boundaries when considering ISO 14000 certification?
> For instance, can areas of a plant be segregated and certified
> selectively?
> Beth Graves
> NC Div. of Pollution Prevention and Environ. Assis. (DPPEA)
> 919-715-6506
Chapter 3 of ISO 14001 ( if it is your EMS standard) includes the
following definition:
3.2 Environment: surroundings in which an organization operates,
including air, water. land, natural resources, flora, fauna, humans, and
their interrelations. NOTE: Surroundings in this context extend from
within an organization to the global system.
According the concepts above, in my opinion, I suggest you to use de DIS
ISO 14040 , 14041, 14042 and 14043 used to develop the Life Cycle
Assessment, created as a means of evaluating manufacturing efficiency.
They'll help you to decide what to include and what not include in your
EMS (ISO 14001).
May be this e-mail help you and your company.
Reinaldo Ramirez
Caracas, Venezuela
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 16:33:51 -0000
From:
Subject: Re:what to include in an EMS
Dear Beth,
You will want to pay particular attention to scoping your EMS, both
physically and organisationally. You may be able to choose between having
the remediation site in the EMS or not. It probably does not matter too
much because the certifier will be looking for a working EMS which meets
the standard. He will NOT be looking for a company which has never had
any environmental impacts. Possession of historic problems may actually
work to your advantage. Grist to the mill, etc.
In terms of selectively certifying areas of the plant, it will all depend
on the organisational structure. On the basis of the information you have
given, I don't any advantage in your doing so. In general, the simpler
the better. The real problems with EMS design lie not with plant or
processes but with overlapping organisations, shared areas, multiple
sites, multiple businesses on one site etc., for which the standard gives
no guidance.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
Frey Environmental Associates Ltd.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:00:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)"
Subject: Submission from ["David" ] (fwd)
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David"
To:
Subject: iso14000 v EMAS
Can any body define the differences between iso14000 and EMAS ?
I'm not sure what to research / initiate for my company
David Ward - H&S Coordinator - Hobsons DorsetField
devw@globalnet.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:19:22 +0100
From: Matthias Gelber
Subject: EMAS / ISO 14001
Dear David
The differences or perceived differences between EMAS and ISO 14001 are
going to bess "less severe" in the future due to the recommendations of
the Article 19 Comitte (in charge of the EMAS revision). It has been
proposed that the complete text of ISO 14001 is going to be included in
the annex of the future version of EMAS (some call it EMAS 2) as
Management Systems Requirements of EMAS. Industry has welcomed this
"simplification", but there might be some problems with copyright in
relation to including the ISO 14001 text. EMAS is moving increasingly
towards ISO 14001 plus mandatory statement plus a strong environmental
performance focuss. Even in areas of debate, such as EVABAT/prevention
of pollution and site versus organisation (both current differences)
there are strong voices favouring the ISO 14001 language in the Article
19 comittee.
DG XI (EU Directorate in charge of EMAS) is actively promoting the
compatibility between ISO 14001 and EMAS and sees ISO 14001 as a stage
on the road to EMAS.
EMAS will attemp to give itself a strong reputation for focussing on
environmental performance in order to attract stakeholders and industry.
Some people perceive ISO 14001 to focuss more on the EMS than on
performance, but this is, judging from my experience very much depending
on what the organisation implementing it makes out of it. Both are tools
which need to be applied in an added value focuss in order to deliver
the benefits for the organization in operational terms and for the
environment.
My recommendation is:
If you intend to implement an EMS, use the structure of ISO 14001 as an
EMS framework and stay compatible with EMAS by doing an initial
environmental review (EMAS 2 however might not require it any more for
companies certified to ISO 14001), evaluate you stakeholder needs
properly and prepare for reporting about your environmental aspects and
impacts. Take time for designing your system and ask yourself the
question: How can I add value to my organisation and how can I achieve
improvement of environmental performance?
Best regards
Matthias Gelber
14000 & ONE Solutions
Fax: +44 70000 14001
Email: mgelber@ibm.net
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> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "David"
> To:
> Subject: iso14000 v EMAS
>
> Can any body define the differences between iso14000 and EMAS ?
> I'm not sure what to research / initiate for my company
> David Ward - H&S Coordinator - Hobsons DorsetField
> devw@globalnet.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:39:42 +0200
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Subject: Re: Submission from ["David" ] (fwd)
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> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "David"
> To:
> Subject: iso14000 v EMAS
>
> Can any body define the differences between iso14000 and EMAS ?
> I'm not sure what to research / initiate for my company
> David Ward - H&S Coordinator - Hobsons DorsetField
> devw@globalnet.co.uk
Main difference betwen ISO-14000 and EMAS was that in EMAS scheme a public
document, named Environmental Declaration is needed to be registered and
elegible to use EMAS distintitive, that public document is not required in
the ISO-140000 scheme.
Other aspects are the same, and also your company could be ISO-14000
registered and before that ask for the "bridge document"(=+/- public
declaration) at your Competent Organism
I hope it helps you.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 08:59:20 -0000
From:
Subject: Re: the differences between iso14000 and EMAS
Dear Mr Ward,
EMAS is an EC regulation designed to promote continual improvement in the
performance of _particular_ industries.
The EMAS regulations contain three requirements which organisations
seeking registration need to demonstrate they have met:
1 Conducted an initital review meeting EMAS requirements.
2 Implemented an EMS meeting EMAS requirements.
3 Published an environmental statement validated by an accredited
validator.
The regulations specify issues of particular concern which must be taken
into consideration during the identification of environmental aspects.
They include certain classes of discharges, emissions, wastes, resource
use, and ecosystem impacts.
Most of the EMAS requirements can be met by implementing ISO 14001, there
being a bridging document which specifies how EMAS verifiers are to
interpret ISO 14001. In practice, a careful implementation of ISO 14001
would meet most EMAS requirements, the main additional requrement being
the environmental statement.
EMAS can be approached as an adjunct to ISO 14001. The trick is to
implement ISO 14001 efficiently, preferably using existing management
systems, and then to upgrade to EMAS. I'm not sure why you would want to
have EMAS unless the environmental statement is particularly important to
your company because of public perceptions. Getting the most out of an
EMS can be tricky, and it is important to be clear what you want out of
it and what the drivers really are. Asking the stupid questions I call
it.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
Frey Environmental Associates Ltd.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:26:12 -0400
From: HY BRAVERMAN
Subject: Re: Submission from ["David" ] (fwd)
David:
Either ISO14000 or EMAS or any other Environmental Management System,
you will need an information architecture. I would suggest that you get
people your firms Data Processing department involved. You will need to
establish a cohesive information framework that encompasses the entire
organization. The data you will collect and analyze will become
critical in the formation of an EMS.
There are many software products and applications available for specific
tasks. There are many information structural issues to consider. The
information repository, the transport method and the interpretation of
data into useful and timely information.
Your information architecture should be well coordinated and supported
by Data Processing management. Get them involved and committed early in
the process, they can be your best help.
Hy Braverman
BRAVERMAN STRATEGIES
- -EnviroInformatics Consulting
e-mail: braveman@ziplink.net
> Can any body define the differences between iso14000 and EMAS ?
> I'm not sure what to research / initiate for my company
> David Ward - H&S Coordinator - Hobsons DorsetField
> devw@globalnet.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:39:42 +0200
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Subject: Re: Submission from ["David" ] (fwd)
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> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "David"
> To:
> Subject: iso14000 v EMAS
>
> Can any body define the differences between iso14000 and EMAS ?
> I'm not sure what to research / initiate for my company
> David Ward - H&S Coordinator - Hobsons DorsetField
> devw@globalnet.co.uk
Main difference betwen ISO-14000 and EMAS was that in EMAS scheme a public
document, named Environmental Declaration is needed to be registered and
elegible to use EMAS distintitive, that public document is not required in
the ISO-140000 scheme.
Other aspects are the same, and also your company could be ISO-14000
registered and before that ask for the "bridge document"(=+/- public
declaration) at your Competent Organism
I hope it helps you.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 14:45:52 +0100
From: Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
Subject: Environmental management and the Postal sector
Does anyone know of any environmental management/reporting initiatives being
carried out by different postal serives around the world. I am thinking of ISO
14001 certifications (like the Swedish Postal Service), environmental reports
(like the Danish Postal Service), or similar initiatives.
Pall M. Rikhardsson
Price Waterhouse
Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:33:02 EST
From: "Richard Dooley"
Subject: ISO 14001 & EMAS
David Ward wrote:
Can any body define the differences between iso14000 and EMAS ?
I'm not sure what to research / initiate for my company.
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David -
There is a WWW site which offers a simple crosswalk between the two
EMS standards. The URL is:
http://www.quality.co.uk/quality/emas.htm#Comparison
I hope this is helpful - best of luck!
Richard Dooley
__________________________
Richard Dooley
Environmental Management Specialist
11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009
SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190
e-mail: DooleyR@saic.com
Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:36:48 EST
From: "Richard Dooley"
Subject: Re: Environmental management and the Postal sector
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:45:52 +0100
> From: Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
> Subject: Environmental management and the Postal sector
> To: iso14000@quality.org
> Does anyone know of any environmental management/reporting initiatives being
> carried out by different postal serives around the world. I am thinking of ISO
> 14001 certifications (like the Swedish Postal Service), environmental reports
> (like the Danish Postal Service), or similar initiatives.
>
>
> Pall M. Rikhardsson
> Price Waterhouse
> Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
>
Pall,
Many US Postal Service (USPS) facilities have implemented
environmental management systems to address environmental issues.
However, I have not heard of any USPS sites certifying to ISO 14001.
Feel free to contact me if you are in need of more information.
Richard Dooley
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Richard Dooley
Environmental Management Specialist
11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009
SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190
e-mail: DooleyR@saic.com
Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:08:31 EST
From: "Richard Dooley"
Subject: Re: USPS and environmental management
Pall,
I cut-and-pasted some information below from the USPS' Web site
(www.usps.gov). The actual story is at
http://www.usps.gov/dtf/dtf_frame.htm.
In addition, the USPS Environmental Management Policy Home Page is at
http://www.usps.gov/environ/welcome.htm. From there you can link to
numerous pages of information on how the USPS addresses environmental
issues. Best of luck!
Richard Dooley
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USPS Wins Four "Closing the Circle"
Awards
Three U.S. Postal Service employees and a mail processing center
have been named as "Closing the Circle" award winners, bringing
the total number won by the USPS to 25 .
The awards will be presented June 1 at White House ceremonies.
The "Closing the Circle" awards are given annually to individuals
and organizations for outstanding environmental achievements.
They are among the most prestigious awards given by the U.S.
government.
Those being honored are:
Pete Dolder, a resident of Connecticut and a manager at the
USPS Purchasing and Materials Service Center in Windsor, CN.
He won the Affirmative Procurement award for his promotion
of affirmative procurement, recycling, and waste prevention;
William Hayen, who lives in Texas and is Environmental
Coordinator in the Southwest Area, won the Individual
Challenge Award for working to convert undeliverable and
discarded mail into compost; Patrick Langsjoen, the Pacific
Area Environmental Coordinator, of Pacifica, CA, won an
Individual Challenge Award for his leadership in developing
pollution prevention strategies and implementing a recycling
program; and The Royal Oak, MI, Mail Processing and
Distribution Center won the Recycling Model Facility award
for its dedication to resource conservation through
reduction, reuse, and recycling.
Honorable mention recipients include the Albany, NY, Performance
Cluster for affirmative procurement; Ken Peterson, Salt Lake City
District for environmental leadership through training; and the
USPS Northeast Area, Windsor, CN, for gasoline filter recycling.
__________________________
Richard Dooley
Environmental Management Specialist
11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009
SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190
e-mail: DooleyR@saic.com
Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:47:35 -0700
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: EMS as condition of settlement
EPA recently negotiated a settlement that had a condition that the company
commit to a global environmental
managment system. If anyone knows of other matters in which implementation
of an environmental management system (global or otherwise) was a condition
of settlement, I would appreciate hearing about it. Thanks.
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law:
Mediation:
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 14:30:48 +0100
From: Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
Subject: Studies of certified companies
Hi
Does anyone know of any recent studies of ISO 14000 certified companies (in
different countries or worldwide) documenting e.g. size (turnover, employees
etc.), industry, cost of implementation, reasons for certification, links to
other environmental initiatives such as environmental reporting, perceived
benefits, realised benefits etc. etc.?
Regards
Pall M. Rikhardsson
Environmental Consultant
Price Waterhouse
Aboulevarden 70
8000 Aarhus C
Denmark
tel.: (+45) 89 32 00 00
fax.: (+45) 89 32 00 10
E-mail: Pall_M._Rikhardsson@europe.notes.pw.com
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)"
Subject: Submission from ["Tania McDonald" ] (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
To:
From: "Tania McDonald"
Subject: iso14000 & ships
Hello everyone. I've been following some of your comments in the digest
version of this site but now I have a question that you all can hopefully
help me out with. I was wondering if anyone had any information on how
iso14000 relates to large ships--cruise ships, military ships, etc. For
instance, are any foreign ports/countries requiring that ships wanting to
enter their ports be iso14000 certified? What would an iso14000 certified
ship look like? If you can provide any information, I would really
appreciate it....Tania McDonald, tmcdonald.wash@veda.com
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:18:32 -0400
From: Reinaldo Ramirez
Subject: Re: Submission from ["Tania McDonald" ] (fwd)
Bill Casti (System Admin) wrotes:
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> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
> To:
> From: "Tania McDonald"
> Subject: iso14000 & ships
>
> Hello everyone. I've been following some of your comments in the digest
> version of this site but now I have a question that you all can hopefully
> help me out with. I was wondering if anyone had any information on how
> iso14000 relates to large ships--cruise ships, military ships, etc. For
> instance, are any foreign ports/countries requiring that ships wanting to
> enter their ports be iso14000 certified? What would an iso14000 certified
> ship look like? If you can provide any information, I would really
> appreciate it....Tania McDonald, tmcdonald.wash@veda.com
An ISO 14000 certificated ship looks like an ISM-CODE certificated ship. ISM
stands for International Management Code for Safe Operation of Ships and for
Pollution Prevention (ISM Code) sponsored by American Bureau of Ships (Marine
Services). 16855 Northchase Drive. Houston, Texas 77060-6008. U.S.A. Phone:
713-873-2101. Fax: 713/874/5974.Reinaldo Ramirez
Caracas, Venezuela
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:19:47 -0500
From: "Dr. von Zharen"
Subject: Tanya McDonald: Shipping
To my knowledge, CERES Hellenic (Greece) was the first shipping company to
become both ISO Code and ISO 14001 certified. They are a featured case study
in my forthcoming book on application of ISO 14000 published by Government
Institutes. Also, please note that
the ISM Code was developed out of negotiations within the International
Maritime Organization. The American Bureau of Shipping is a certifying (or
registration) body for the ISM Code, ISO 14001, ISO 9000, and other
management regimes as are other registrars.
Dr. W.M. von Zharen
Texas Institute of Oceanography
Texas A&M University
Email: dr_vonzharen@msn.com
WWW: memri.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:49:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Montgomery
Subject: EMS and government operations
Fellow posters,
I'm undertaking research in the field of EMS implementation in
government. My particular focus is on the Candian federal government and
the actions that it is undertaking. In Canada 28 departments have
tabled Sustaianable Development Strategies and many of those departments
are pursing ISO 14000 EMS in order to implement these strategies in
their daily operations.
However as background research I am curious to know what "steps",
plans or legislation other governments have undertaken regarding EMS
implementation in order to "green" their department's operations.
In my research so far I have come across references to the US EPA
Code of Environmental Management Principles, but have been unable to find
the Code or the extent of its application.
Any information provided on this topic would be most helpful.
Brian Montgomery
bmonty@yorku.ca
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:44:10 +1000
From: Martin Callinan
Subject: EMS, non-commercial
Fellow Posters,
I am undertaking PhD research examining non-industrial applications for Environment Management Systems eg ISO 14001. I am developing a specialized Environment Management System, for the Australian Antarctic Division, for application to Australia's Antarct
ic operations. In a previous life I worked for an international environmental consultancy, developing and auditing EMSs i.e. ISO 14001.
I would be very interested to know if anyone has any interest or understanding of Environment Management Systems as they could be applied to polar organizations or operations. Any thoughts on the differences between EMSs used in non-commercial settings an
d EMSs used in commercial settings, would likewise be very interesting. Feel free to pass-on my e-mail address to anyone who may have an interest.
sincerely,
martin
m.callinan@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au
Martin Callinan
Environmental Engineering
The University of Melbourne
Parkville, 3052
Victoria
Australia
Ph. +61 03 9344 4955
e-mail m.callinan@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:13:24 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega"
Subject: EM definition
Dear friends:
Does anyone of you have a good definition of environmental
management? I have a lot if information of EMS, but I don't have a
definition of EM and why is necessary today.
If you could help me, I will be sincerely grateful.
Thanks
********************************
Macarena Ortega
Marine Resources Department
Phone: +56-2-2400300
Fax: +56-2-2419389
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)"
Subject: Submission from ["Aleksander Mortensen" ] (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:05:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Aleksander Mortensen"
To: "Macarena Ortega" ,
Subject: Re: EM definition
Dear Macarena,
In response to your enquiry for the definition / rationale for environmental
management I would like to share the following with you.
In a seminar held by my university, Dr. Munro from the Royal Scottish
Geographical Society posed the question: We have geography - why do we need
environmental management?.
After a lively debate we came to the conclusion that where geography,
environmental science and certain other related fields are primarily
concerned with the collation and understanding of data - EM is concerned
with the fundamental question - 'How to manage?'.
Approaching the end of my education in EM, this seems to me to hold a lot of
truth. Managing the environment in a sustainable, long-term manner require
the input from fields such as engineering, geography and env. science
combined with the planning, managerial and analytical skills of the
environmental manager.
Successful EM takes onboard the output of specialist fields and compress
this information into a management plan designed to reach a defined
objective. In most cases today, this objective is perhaps some variation on
the theme of sustainable development.
I am not aware of any good operational definitions of EM as such and I will
refrain from attempting to suggest one.
Cheers,
Aleksander Mortensen
BSc(hons) Environmental Management
School of Town and Regional Planning
University of Dundee.
Personal mail: aleksander@oslo.online.no
Website: http://home.sol.no/~siljam/index.htm
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Subject: Submission from [Fran Martin ] (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:01:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: iso14000-digest@quality.org
From: Fran Martin
Subject: P2 Aid: New US EPA Industry Compliance Sector Guides on CD-ROM
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Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:16:42 +0200
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Guus_Gabri=EBlse?="
Subject: priorities ISO14001: end of pipe or measures at the source
Dear colleagues,
I´d like your opinions on the following:
Does Iso14001specify which measures a company should implement in order to
reduce their environmental impacts ?
Does the use of end of pipe technology, such as a wastewater treatment
plant, has a lower priority than measures at the source (the env. aspect),
for example water reuse ?
Thanks for your reactions
Guus Gabriëlse
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:14:11 -0400
From: "Connie G. Ritzert"
Subject: RE: priorities ISO14001: end of pipe or measures at the source
Reply to Guus Gabrielse:
ISO 14001 does not specify what measures a company should take to reduce
environmental impacts, and it does not set priorities. It is simply a
management system standard. The organization must make its own choices
based on its policy, legal obligations, and commitments it makes. Keep in
mind, however, that ISO 14001 is not entirely 'value neutral' , in that it
requires that the organization make a commitment to prevention of pollution
in its policy and requires that the management system implement that
policy. The stated intent of the standard is that by implementing and
maintaining an EMS, the organization will improve its environmental
performance over time. How it accomplishes that ( what measures it takes,
in what order) is left to the organization to decide, considering various
factors including its legal and other requirements, its commitments,
significant environmental aspects, business and technical options, and the
views of interested parties.
That being said, in my opinion, ISO 14001 benefits a company most when it
is applied as part of an overall strategic management plan to support the
best interests of the company while preserving the environment. In such
cases, preferences for source reduction, rather than end-of pipe solutions,
are likely. These are decisions that must be made for each specific
circumstance, however, and should not be dictated by an international
standard (as they are not dictated by ISO 14001).
Hope this is helpful.
Connie G. Ritzert critzert@fyi.net
Meredith-EMC environmental management consulting
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From: Guus Gabrielse [SMTP:wetlands@zeelandnet.nl]
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 1998 8:17 AM
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: priorities ISO14001: end of pipe or measures at the source
Dear colleagues,
I?d like your opinions on the following:
Does Iso14001specify which measures a company should implement in order to
reduce their environmental impacts ?
Does the use of end of pipe technology, such as a wastewater treatment
plant, has a lower priority than measures at the source (the env. aspect),
for example water reuse ?
Thanks for your reactions
Guus Gabrielse
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:52:10 -0400
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
Subject: re: priorities ISO14001: end of pipe or measures at the source
Guus Gabriëlse asked:
>Does Iso14001specify which measures a company should implement in order to
>reduce their environmental impacts ?
>Does the use of end of pipe technology, such as a wastewater
>treatment plant, has a lower priority than measures at the
>source (the env. aspect), for example water reuse ?
I strongly concur with Ms. Ritzert's comment to Mr. Gabrielse that ISO
14001 does not prescribe the environmental technologies an organization
should employ. And this is an important point to consider, because I sense
that many organizations currently looking at ISO 14001 may be under the
opinion that conformance with the standard brings with it a bag of
environmental ethics (i.e. eliminate your air and water discharges, cease
use of non-renewable resources, manufacture only environment-friendly
products, etc.) that must also be adopted. Now, many of these may be
"preferred" environmental strategies -- for example, the accepted protocol
for prevention of pollution places source control above end-of-pipe
technology and, in many cases, source control can cost-effectively
eliminate a lot of the contingent liability associated with treating a
wastestream. But ISO 14001 does not dictate the practice -- only the
system.
On the other hand, I'm sure that many environmental activists place little
faith in an ISO-conformant EMS because it doesn't prescribe what are, in
their view, inherently appropriate "green" strategies that ought to be
followed in any case.
How is the EMS community addressing these concerns ?
Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
1103 Glenwood Blvd.
Schenectady NY 12308-2503
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 07:44:29 -0400
From: HY BRAVERMAN
Subject: Re: priorities ISO14001: end of pipe or measures at the source
Without a doubt ISO14001 and any EMS are valuable and need to be in
place, however, before implementation, an enterprise wide information
systems needs to be mapped out. All points that generate data and
collect data, need to be identified and and information management
appliance(computing device), network(INTRANET, INTERNET, EXTRANET) need
to be defined. How environmental data will be converted to valuable
information must be designed, so that knowledge professionals will be
able to make strategic decisions and make corrections at the time they
need to be made, not months later, when its to late.
Environmental Management Information Systems are key to the success of
any environmental management system. Existing enterprise wide
information systems must be able to handle environmental data with
modifications or add ons. Running a parallel environmental management
information system is costly and complex. The key is to integrate EMS
data into the current system.
Therefore, get the Chief Information Officer involved and committed with
and environmental management system. Get him or her on board early.
> Guus Gabriëlse asked:
>
>Does Iso14001specify which measures a company should implement in order to
>reduce their environmental impacts ?
>Does the use of end of pipe technology, such as a wastewater
>treatment plant, has a lower priority than measures at the
>source (the env. aspect), for example water reuse ?
>
Hy Braverman
BRAVERMAN STRATEGIES
860-666-8740
e-mail: braveman@ziplink.net
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