ISO 9000-3 Digest         Wednesday, 12 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 039

In this issue:

	Re: QSAR/IAF Survey
	Re: QSAR/IAF -- WYAUHIGCHI
	Question on ISO9001
	ISO Certificate problems
	Re: Q:Software QA Programs/Jelen
	European ISO & CE Mark reqs 
	A serial mini-survey (No.1)

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From: KSIZER@danriver.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:21:42 -0400
Subject: Re: QSAR/IAF Survey

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  Please respond to iso9000-3@quality.org

  To:   iso9000-3 @ quality.org
  cc:
  Subject:  QSAR/IAF Survey

  > Section A
  >
  >
  > 1.  Is your company registered to ISO 9000?

  NO

  >
  > 2.  What is the name of your registrar?
  >
  >
  > 3.  Which accreditation body(ies) are indicated on your certificate?
  >
  >
  >
  > If you have a ISO 9000 certificate accredited by a national
  accreditation body, please
  > continue to Section B.  Otherwise, you need not continue.


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From: 
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: QSAR/IAF -- WYAUHIGCHI

   What Yet Another Ugly Horendous Inter-Governmental Certifying Institution 
   (WYAUHIGCHI)? All this extra redtape is making Deming turn over in his 
   grave.  More international bureaucracy -- crescit eundo (NM)!!!  Let IEC 
   sign onto ISO. Let ISO sell its contents to the real customers not just 
   the technocrats and potential auditors, stampers and trainers.
   
   It appears that this QSAR/IAF order of business is who would hold what 
   stamp.  (Speaks for itself).
   
   Maybe we all would have been better with a totally independent 
   (NONGOVERNMENTAL) consortium -- say The Mother Earth Quality Association 
   with NO POLITICS and NO RED TAPE. Each company can brag about what level 
   or criteria set they they have self-appraised themselves. However, BUYER 
   BEWARE and AUDIT RIGHTS part of every sale.  You don't want to drop your 
   knickers for a cough test -- don't brag about your process.
   
   Of course, this seems too simple to be rilpolitik, so just pass it off as 
   yanqui delirium tremens.
   
   (my thoughts not my employer's)

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From: "Soudah, Jamileh" 
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:02:00 -0500
Subject: Question on ISO9001

 What is the difference between ISQ9001 & ANSI/ASQC-Q900101984?
 Jamileh

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From: Dale Misczynski-CINF45 
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 7:53:25 -0600
Subject: ISO Certificate problems

Several weeks ago I posted a survey being conducted by the ISO/IEC and IAF 
concerning problems that businesses may be facing concerning international 
recognition of their ISO 9000 certificates. Based upon several questions 
from respondents we have simplified the questions. If you responded to the 
earlier survey, we appreciate your inputs. If you haven't, particulary if 
you have had problems having your certificate recognized, we would 
apppreciate hearing from you. 

Dale Misczynski

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QSAR/IAF Business Survey
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A significant amount of international trade depends upon, or is facilitated 
by, accredited ISO 9000 certificates.

It has been suggested that some companies are experiencing problems in 
having their accredited ISO 9000 certificates internationally accepted.

Two organizations, the International Accreditation Forum(IAF) and ISO/IEC 
Quality Systems Assessment Recognition (QSAR) are cooperating to better 
understand the extent of the problem. They are committed to developing 
solutions that will facilitate the mutual recognition of accredited ISO 9000 
certificates on a global basis. It would be most helpful if you could 
provide answers to the following questions:

1. During the past twelve months, has your organization 
   encountered any problems in international trade due to 
   non-acceptance by your customers, or potential 
   customers, of your accredited ISO 9000 certificates?

   [  ] Yes     [  ] No    [  ] Don't know or not applicable


If you answered "No" or "Don't know or not applicable" there is no need for 
you to continue with the survey. Please return the survey as indicated at 
the end of this questionnaire.


2. If "Yes", could you please describe the problem that 
   occurred and how it was resolved.



3. In your opinion, would the problem have been resolved if 
   your accredited ISO 9000 certificate had been 
   recognized, or endorsed, by your customer's local 
   Accreditation Body?

   [  ] Yes     [  ] No    [  ] Don't know or not applicable

4. Do you think that some additional endorsement of your 
   certificate by the ISO/IEC would help you overcome this 
   problem?

   [  ] Yes     [  ] No     [  ] Don't know or not applicable

5. If the answer to either question 3 or 4 was yes, would you 
   be prepared to bear an additional cost for such an 
   arrangement?

   [  ] Yes     [  ] No     [  ] Don't know or not applicable

6. What would you consider to be a reasonable surcharge for 
   such an arrangement? (Expressed as a percentage of the cost of your ISO 
   certificate.) 

   [  ] Less then 1%     [  ] 1% to 5%     [  ] 5% to 10%

Thank you for taking  the time to complete this questionnaire. Please return 
it to:


Dale J. Misczynski
Co-chair of the Joint Task Group
Member of the ISO/IEC QSAR Board
Email: cinf45@email.mot.com
Telephone: +1-847-576-6481
Facsimile:   +1-847-538-2663
     
Postal Address: 
Dale J. Misczynski
Corporate Vice President, Director of Quality And Standards 
Motorola Inc. 
1303 East Algonquin Road T-4
Schaumburg, IL 60196

 








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From: Philip Stein 
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 17:01:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Q:Software QA Programs/Jelen

I have cross-posted this inquiry on the iso 9000-3 mailing list. It is a
more appropriate place for such a question. Perhaps you should also join
there (send e-mail to majordomo@quality.org with a text line saying
)

>From: encompas@m5.sprynet.com
>
>1. Does anyone know of the names of course providers for the SPICE
>Assessor Certification Program?
>
>AND
>
>2. Any information on the ESPRIT project BOOTSTRAP
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Andrew Jelen
>CQE, IRCA-LA
>Encompass International Inc.


Philip Stein 
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:38:49 -0600
Subject: European ISO & CE Mark reqs 

I need to assemble an current country-by-country list of requirements to
market medical devices in Europe prior to the June 1998 Pan European CE
marking requirement. I'm looking for free or inexpensive sources. Can
anyone give me any ideas, URLs, newsgroups, etc?

_____________________________________________________________
Thomas R. Miller                        505 N. 4th St.
Director of Quality Engineering         Fairfield, IA  52556
Vital Images, Inc.                      (515)472 7726  VOX
miller@vitalimages.com                  (515)472 1661  FAX
www.vitalimages.com



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From: Yingxu Wang 
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:02:32 -0800
Subject: A serial mini-survey (No.1)

Dear colleagues,

- - A Survey of Base Process Activities Towards Software Process Excellency

Welcome to participate in the serial mini-survey!

For writing up my PhD thesis I would like to consult your experience 
and knowledge in software-engineering-process practices. This is a 
serial mini-survey lasting about four weeks. I would like to send you a 
short questionnaire every day which just takes five-minute to complete. 
In return I will provide you with a report of the statistics and 
benchmarked results of the survey towards software process excellency.            

You may answer the whole questionnaire or any part of it. The final report
will be in general view, therfore your specific information will not be 
disclosed individually. Thank you very much in advance! 

Best regards,

Yingxu Wang
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Research Centre for Systems Engineering | Email:wang_s@solent.ac.uk  or
Southampton Institute                   |       yingxu.wang@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Southampton SO14 0YN, UK                | Tel:  +44 1703 319773
In collaboration with IVF, IBM, and ESI | Fax:  +44 1703 334441
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Questionnaire 1: Base process activities on organization processes(1/4) 
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1.1 Organizational structure
1.1.1 Organization definition 

1. (1.1.1.1) Define organization structure 
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

2. (1.1.1.2) Establish business strategy
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

3. (1.1.1.3) Define management responsibilities
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

4. (1.1.1.4) Establish organization's general quality policy
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

5. (1.1.1.5) Assign project managers
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

6. (1.1.1.6) Define career plans
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

7. (1.1.1.7) Review projects periodically
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

1.1.2 Project organisation
8. (1.1.2.1) Define project teams
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

9. (1.1.2.2) Define project management responsibilities
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

10. (1.1.2.3) Assign software quality assurance (SQA) personnel or team
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

11. (1.1.2.4) Maintain project team interactions
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

12. (1.1.2.5) Management commitment on quality
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................

13. (1.1.2.6) Assign system analyst in management team
Importance in process:      (least) [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (most)  
Experience:                 Practised  [ ]       Not practised [ ]
Effectiveness:              Yes  [ ]                        No [ ] 
Comments (if  any): ..............................................


Appendix:
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Structure of the survey               Questions    
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1. ORGANISATION PROCESSES

1.1 Organisational structure
1.1.1 Organisation definition               (7)
1.1.2 Project organisation                  (6)

1.2 Organisational process
1.2.1 Organisation process definition      (15)
1.2.2 Organisation process improvement     (11)

1.3 Customer services
1.3.1 Customer relations                   (13)
1.3.2 Customer support                     (12)
1.3.3 Software/system delivery             (11)
1.3.4 Service evaluation                    (6)

2. SOFTWARE ENGINEERING PROCESSES

2.1 Software engineering methodologies
2.1.1 Software engineering modelling        (9) 
2.1.2 Reuse methodologies                   (7)
2.1.3 Technology innovation                 (7)

2.2 Software development processes
2.2.1 Process control                      (12) 
2.2.2 Requirements analysis                 (8)
2.2.3 Design                                (9)
2.2.4 Coding                                (8)
2.2.5 Testing                               (6)
2.2.6 Integration and system test           (7)
2.2.7 Maintenance                          (10)

2.3 Software development environments
2.3.1 Environment                           (7)
2.3.2 Facilities                           (15)
2.3.3 Development  support  tools           (4) 
2.3.4 Management  support  tools            (6)

3. MANAGEMENT PROCESSES 

3.1 Software quality assurance (SQA)
3.1.1 SQA procedure definition             (17) 
3.1.2 Requirements review                   (5)
3.1.3 Design review                         (4)
3.1.4 Code review                           (3)
3.1.5 Module and Integration testing        (5)
3.1.6 Acceptance testing                    (5)
3.1.7 Maintenance audit                     (8)
3.1.8 Internal audit                        (6)
3.1.9 Peer reviews                         (10)
3.1.10 Defect control                      (10)
3.1.11 Subcontractor's quality control      (5)

3.2 Project planning
3.2.1 Project plan                         (20)
3.2.2 Project estimation                    (7)
3.2.3 Project risks avoidance              (11)
3.2.4 Project quality plan                  (7)

3.3 Project management
3.3.1 Process management                    (8) 
3.3.2  Process tracking                    (15)
3.3.3 Configuration management              (8) 
3.3.4 Change control                        (9)
3.3.5 Process review                        (8)
3.3.6 Intergroup coordination               (7)

3.4 Contracts and requirements management
3.4.1 Requirements management              (12)
3.4.2 Contract management                   (7)
3.4.3 Subcontractor management             (14)
3.4.4 Purchasing management                 (9)

3.5 Document management
3.5.1 Documentation                        (11) 
3.5.2 Process database                      (2)
3.5.3 Reuse library                         (1)
3.5.4 Metrics database                      (1)
3.5.5 Operation manual library              (1) 
3.5.6 Performance benchmarking              (1)

3.6 Human resource management
3.6.1 Staff selection and allocation        (4)
3.6.2 Training                              (7)




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